EVE General Discussion

Is this why you look so troubled, Jonah? The thought that someone, somewhere, is perched atop their mighty porcelain throne literally dropping bombs while their mining lasers happily buzz away in a room not-quite adjacent to the one said throne occupies? Is it the fact that this hypothetical miner, away from his keyboard, is unfairly earning space cash and depleting resources while not actually playing the game?

Truly, high-sec needs a savior if such acts are common.

lol, the worried look is constipation

The old suspect flagging system:
I'm not sure I ever had all the fussy details memorized. What if both ships were in the same fleet? In the same alliance but not the same corp? Who shot first? Was it a neutral jetcan or a corp jetcan? I disliked the old system.

The new suspect flagging system:
It's red. Shoot it. I like it.

Change Crimewatch if you need to. Make the whole galaxy nullsec except the noobie starter systems if you need to. But please keep any new flagging system easy enough for my pea brain to understand.

I'm buying a commode, that way I get a proper throne

*****Irony detected****

I'm not trying to sell a certain idea or way of gaming, I just think that a lot of these arguments get side tracked away from the real discussion; either into the realm of "eve is dying omg" or "CCP did x,y, And Z!" When we should be talking about what we all like about games and Eve in particular. Once that common ground is defined then CCP can build Eve around it.

So when I say games are puzzles and challenging and competitive; that's just my opinion, but it is shared by many others. What is a game to you?

The MMORPG industry has shown that the single most profitable thing you can do is cater to the braindead carebear demographic. Listening to the 'carebears crying in highsec' and following the money are one and the same.

Well, at least if you ignore experiences with past expansions which suggest that the people who play EVE to play EVE outnumber those who play EVE to play WoW in Space. I mean, judging by the reaction to Incarna, one might almost suspect that there is actually a significant number of subscribers who like EVE as EVE, and would leave if it started to abandon it's original principles too much. Since, you know, exactly that happened.

You know what else happens to all MMO's on the market? Rapid decline. EVE is one of the few exceptions, so perhaps following the examples of all the failures is not the best plan?

Again, pirates and global warming.

What is known is that carebear expansions or expansions designed to pull in a new demographic have the potential to lose the game money due to alienating the existing playerbase. Vague handwaving about how the game isn't dead yet therefore it must be doing everything right doesn't stand up against that.

Not to mention, maximising short term growth isn't the objective of anyone with half a brain. All those MMORPGs that rise up every year and burn out within the year? They're chasing the money. And it must work, because people keep doing it. CCP could go in that direction at any time, but they don't. Nobody, not even CCP, is as interested in dragging in new players at the game's expense as you seem to be.


Riveting tale, chap.

Hypocrisy is the word you are looking for. If you are going to mischaracterize my post, at least use the right word.

But, of course, there is nothing hypocritical (or ironic) about it, because nobody is justified in expecting a game aimed at other people to change to suit them, myself included.

To say otherwise is to say that you actually do expect every game made to cater to you.

The game already suits him, presumably that's why he plays. I think the reason that Eve attracts the type of players that it does is because it's one of the few true sandboxes left, a game that actually allows and encourages you to be underhanded, devious and manipulative is a rare thing these days, especially one that works on the principle of a persistent single shard.

The people that have been playing, and paying for years stick with Eve for a reason, it's pretty much unique, it's one of the very few games where the Devs take a pretty much hands off approach and just let us get on with it.

We, the players, are the content, off the top of my head I can't think of many other games that can boast that, or that can boast the real world mainstream non gaming press headlines that Eve generates. Those headlines aren't generated by the "engrossing gameplay" such as mining or missioning. They're generated by our player driven economy, which is used to study real world economies, and by what we get up to in the game, we pull off massive scams and thefts, we infiltrate corporations and dismantle them from the inside, we spy on each other, we produce propaganda and we kill each other, simply because we can.

We also organise player driven events like hulkageddon, the Jita riots and burn Jita, some accidentally push the wrong button and bring a node to it's knees by causing a 3000 man fight in a single solar system (07 DBRB well played sir, that was epic) simply because we can.

In the case of the Jita riots, CCP did something really stupid by releasing a long awaited game play option in an incomplete form, along with a laughably overpriced "micro" transaction in game shop and a reluctance to answer players concerns over where the game was heading in a timely fashion, so we proceeded to make our concerns known in a way that is unique to Eve, because we could.

Eve is different, everything you do has the potential to affect everybody else in the game. The Casuality and Butterfly Effect trailers weren't just cinematic fluff, those things actually happen in the game, and that's why we love the game as it is, it doesn't need to become just another MMO.

Some of these folks are too thick headed to see this unfortunately.

Meh.