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Emi May
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-10-26 13:41:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Emi May
This may very well be an old article but I'm sure a lot of you won't have seen it. It's very much worth the read and shows the differences between the Developers and The Management currently at CCP.

Eve Evolved Article


Eve Evolved wrote:

"I had a grown man crying for an hour on Skype because he just got the keys to the apartment for which he put up a down-payment and a mortgage three days ago. We have colleagues with children, in despair. Many of us know full well that we too carry responsibility for where we are now; we should have spoken up and not stayed silent for so long. Those of us left will give it all we have, but we also realise that without players staying critical, there is not much we can do against management, which simply wants to pursue its own goals."
T' Elk
Strategically Bad
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2011-10-26 13:44:36 UTC
Scene it. Do I get a cookie? :3

~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~ I come back after 2 years to THIS? ~Now 4 years apparently
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#3 - 2011-10-26 14:04:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
yes, because management and workers for other companies are ofter seen holding hands and skipping through the rosebuds together while singing showtunes

and something called "eve evolved" obviously has no ties to bitter vets and their reporting is fair and unbiased

yup
Emi May
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-26 14:10:01 UTC
Morganta wrote:
yes, because management and workers for other companies are ofter seen holding hands and skipping through the rosebuds together while singing showtunes

and something called "eve evolved" obviously has no ties to bitter vets and their reporting is fair and unbiased

yup


You have obviously had a lot of bad managers in your career. Good managers don't create a divide to get themselves ahead. They understand that they are in power because of the people below them. "One Minute Manager" is a good read if you'd care to educate yourself.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#5 - 2011-10-26 14:50:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Emi May wrote:
Morganta wrote:
yes, because management and workers for other companies are ofter seen holding hands and skipping through the rosebuds together while singing showtunes

and something called "eve evolved" obviously has no ties to bitter vets and their reporting is fair and unbiased

yup


You have obviously had a lot of bad managers in your career. Good managers don't create a divide to get themselves ahead. They understand that they are in power because of the people below them. "One Minute Manager" is a good read if you'd care to educate yourself.



Good managers usually don't stay long because they give all they have to make workers feel good and feel interested by their own company, those finish to work harder longer never say it's wrong because they feel good and have the feeling of accomplishement by participating to somenthing unique, profits are on the long term.

Bad managers don't give a **** about who does the job, he want's numbers RIGHT NAO!!!
Emi May
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-10-26 14:56:50 UTC
I'd suggest you read the book too Tanya.

You're actually talking about the two typical managers you come across. The nasty one's that want results now for their gain and the overly nice one's that don't produce the results. A good manager sits perfectly in between.

However back on topic please.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#7 - 2011-10-26 15:36:47 UTC
Emi May wrote:
Morganta wrote:
yes, because management and workers for other companies are ofter seen holding hands and skipping through the rosebuds together while singing showtunes

and something called "eve evolved" obviously has no ties to bitter vets and their reporting is fair and unbiased

yup


You have obviously had a lot of bad managers in your career. Good managers don't create a divide to get themselves ahead. They understand that they are in power because of the people below them. "One Minute Manager" is a good read if you'd care to educate yourself.


managers work for the CEO, they have a simple job, screw over everyone they can for the cheapest price.

they are not working for a company so they can take warm showers with the employees, hold hands and hang out and be the best of buds.
Oswald Patsee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-26 18:07:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Oswald Patsee
Dicks Win

Why? Because they ruthlessly climb on the backs of their coworkers and subordinates. Their success is closely tied with your pain and sweat. Unfortunately the workplace is filled with people who enable office psychopaths and dickheads. Hell dude, look at EVE. It costs pretty much nothing to do your own thing and live and let live, yet this game is freakin famous for bringing out the absolute assh@le in everyone.

Spaceships shooting each other has been the staple of EVE Online since day one. Vampires are the flavor of the month right now (slowly waning, thank gawd). Shooting at people on stange alien worlds has been done already, it's called Halo. Seriously? Trying to compete with a company that has had the lead in the FPS space shooter game for five years +? Climbing on board and thinking they were going to ride the emo 16 year old girl gravy train known as Twilight? Man, WiS, Dust, and WoD were doomed the minute some suited pencil **** walked into Hilmar's office and said "Our numbers and projections show....". The gaming world is waaay too mercurial to mess with an established, loyal, and successful gamer base.

Everyone at CCP saw the plan and probably thought "Greed is Good". They forgot one thing: they were just the stepping stones in the "Greed is Good" plan. When that plan went south their bosses moved on to a new set of stepping stones. I'm not sure what, if anything, can be done for them.

I really do feel for those people who lost their jobs. It's a sh*t deal that no one should have to suffer.
Tanya Fox
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-10-26 18:19:15 UTC
What was your point to starting this thread?


Trying to stir-up something are you?
Oswald Patsee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-10-26 18:27:11 UTC
^ This.
Tashanaka
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2011-10-26 18:30:57 UTC
Emi May wrote:
...You have obviously had a lot of bad managers in your career. Good managers don't create a divide to get themselves ahead. They understand that they are in power because of the people below them. "One Minute Manager" is a good read if you'd care to educate yourself.



Does "One Minute Manager" have a chapter on going off half-cocked over a rumor in an "new" article?
mkint
#12 - 2011-10-26 18:51:42 UTC
Emi May wrote:
This may very well be an old article but I'm sure a lot of you won't have seen it.

If you have to start a post like this, it usually means you're behind the curve, and you look like you're failing to "be one of the cool kids." Especially considering you did not really contribute anything to the discussion that the original threads had going on, but you wouldn't know that since you cba'd to look them up.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-10-26 19:35:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Kengutsi Akira
Tanya Fox wrote:
What was your point to starting this thread?


Trying to stir-up something are you?


Trolling ftw lol

An looking helps, Ive seen at least one of these threads already

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Amro One
One.
#14 - 2011-10-26 20:20:04 UTC
Yet again, Darwin theory shows its face again.

F*** those that are to stupid to make their life a better place.
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#15 - 2011-10-26 20:28:47 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Emi May wrote:
Morganta wrote:
yes, because management and workers for other companies are ofter seen holding hands and skipping through the rosebuds together while singing showtunes

and something called "eve evolved" obviously has no ties to bitter vets and their reporting is fair and unbiased

yup


You have obviously had a lot of bad managers in your career. Good managers don't create a divide to get themselves ahead. They understand that they are in power because of the people below them. "One Minute Manager" is a good read if you'd care to educate yourself.


managers work for the CEO, they have a simple job, screw over everyone they can for the cheapest price.

they are not working for a company so they can take warm showers with the employees, hold hands and hang out and be the best of buds.


I genuinely feel bad for you that you have evidently only ever worked at crappy places with crappy management.

What you describe might be the mentality is poorly run companies/fast food joints but you're misguided if you think this is the only business model that exists.