EVE General Discussion

Well there goes the implant market....

While without a doubt market scrapping was the no. 1 most popular use for cache scrapping, it is very much not the only one.

If CCP wants to put up a roadmap to shift the functionality from cache scrapping to API they would do well to be exhaustive. The nice thing about cache scrapping is that it is just a big pool of "data" your clients knows, and has created many fun little side projects for people using that data in creative ways.

In the API case I also think that Vaerah is probably correct about it becoming a very heavy service for CCP. Heck, in a way they would just duplicate the data they are already sending to the client. It might actually be more interesting if the client itself became an API. So you had a local service to talk to and get information from. Which -heavily speculating- would entail rewriting the wrapper that is no doubt already around the current cache files which the client uses to extract data. Basically creating a CCP maintained Reverance, or at least the inner workings of Reverance. They could supply a light weight C library and I'm sure our community is more then able to supply wrappers for various languages to interact with it.

Yep, the things I use cache for don't even require me to be online in EVE.



Meh, I like it just the way it is. I don't need another dependency on CCP. The whole reason I developed my cache reader is to be independent of CCP and have guaranteed access to current data. (Dumps were often late or not issued at all, etc)

And as I have said before, outlawing reading of cache is absurd and unenforceable. The only recourse CCP has at this point is to encrypt the cache or not cache stuff they don't want people to read.

What they should ban is the use of tools like it to automate gameplay, which is what sparked all this. And guess what, it's already banned. omg! :P

You are arguing a point that nobody is making. Cache scrapping is a read-only action. You "could" technically write to the cache but it would serve no good purpose.

Not sure if trolling or just incredibly dense...

Writing to the cache file doesn't do anything for you that I know of. And nobody in this thread (aside from you) is talking about that anyway. When people say "updating" market orders they are talking about the following process:

1. Look at market orders for a specific item in-game
2. EVE client displays those orders and stores the info in a cache file
3. Read the market orders cache (same info that is on your screen)
4. Use that info to update a 3rd party tool running on your computer, or send that info to maket data sites like EVE Central.
5. This info is then used for market research and analysis. Ever seen an eve website with a blueprint calculator, or prior to the new kill reports seen a killboard with estimated values for modules? This is where that data has always come from.

All we are talking about here is gathering data about market orders out of the eve client. This is not a discussion about market bots. We are not talking about using some kind of bot software to update market orders. That is very clearly something that should be banned for. I don't think anyone in this thread would argue against that.

Now, there is one other thing being discussed and that is the use of the in-game browser to cycle through market orders in the client. All this does is display the market orders (which writes to the cache each time.) It cannot update any orders. This functionality is entirely done inside the EVE client using the IGB and CCP could disable that anytime they felt like it.

If you have doubts if something is allowed or not, then it's probably not allowed.

Don't be EvE's "Armstrong".

Nah they aren't drugs.
They're boosters.
Totally different.



Ooh here's one, what if I went and put a literal screen reader on my screen then proceeded to hold the down arrow through market and let the reader tell me when my prices are not the highest?
There would be no software on the computer touching the eve client and no data being forked or anything else.

Notice how there is neither input from CCP? They are preparing something. No more speculation soon.

And again this try to misslead and create confusion.

It's written in the EULA (but also in the simple logic):

"You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game."

The key part is "to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game". Ar eyou using something that allow you to skip/automate/improve the normal actions performed by the normal client use? Is this giving you an advantage in respect of the other players? Then probably is "illegal".

And no, your friend using tools to manage hundreds of buy/orders per second and ******* the others on station trading is not the same as reading the EVE central web site or using EVEMON.
Not even close.
Not even the same universe.

I'm sure if here the tool was something helping to detect your safe spot and gank your ship then none of you had any doubt.

I want Sreegs to go on a rampage and declare multi boxing illegal.

If only for the tears.

So much tears.