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The Minmatar's great Debt to the Amarr Empire

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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#1 - 2013-02-14 20:43:58 UTC
When the Empire first encountered the Minmatar, they were confined to just three systems.

At the settlement of things over a hundred years ago, the Minmatar were no longer confined to just a handful of planets, instead, they were spread across the whole cluster.

Thus, the Minmatar owe an immense debt to the Empire, regardless of how many of the Empire's slaves are distantly related to the denizens of those three worlds.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#2 - 2013-02-14 20:49:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jinari Otsito
Well what do you know? All those products I stole and then scattered around through trade clearly means the people I stole them from owes me. If that logic flies anywhere but in the "challenged" paddocks I'll eat my ship.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
Takrow Matoris
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-02-14 21:52:58 UTC
You do realize that we were just at our infancy of space exploration right? If we were allowed time, we would have made our way across the cluster on our own. But then again, people like you thought by enslaving us and then tossing us around was much better then letting us develop ourselves on our own.

No we do not owe you a debt.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#4 - 2013-02-14 22:09:42 UTC
We owe a debt to the Amarr for bringing us to God and away from tribalism, more than for spreading us across space.

It is only unfortunate that the journey has been filled with so much needless struggle.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-02-14 22:14:34 UTC
I see this thread going places.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#6 - 2013-02-14 22:17:45 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I see this thread going places.



Right over the nearest cliff.

Fear and Loathing in Internet Spaceships
Takrow Matoris
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-02-14 22:30:24 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
We owe a debt to the Amarr for bringing us to God and away from tribalism, more than for spreading us across space.

It is only unfortunate that the journey has been filled with so much needless struggle.


But not everyone agrees with that. There will be those who see it the way you do, but not I.

My comment was more of a look on how Valerie's post was full of arrogance. But not everyone will see that post like I did. I already know that, and that's why I won't push it any further.
Rataru Akushara
The Keywork
#8 - 2013-02-14 22:53:35 UTC
The Amarr Empire did help the Minmatar advance into space exploration, and it is thanks to Amarr that they were able to achieve this when they did. Whether or not they are thankful for this is truly up to them as it came with a price.

However, we cannot say that they Minmatar would or wouldn't have been able to achieve the level of space exploration they have now with out assistance, and we will truly never know. It is all speculation and opinions.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#9 - 2013-02-14 22:58:20 UTC
Takrow Matoris wrote:
You do realize that we were just at our infancy of space exploration right?


Yes.

Quote:
If we were allowed time, we would have made our way across the cluster on our own.


The Gallente perhaps, would have planted themselves on those worlds before you got to them.

Quote:
No we do not owe you a debt.


Perhaps you should give back all those planets the Empire terraformed.

Maybe that should be the offer, hmm?

Trade all those planets for the remaining slaves that have some vague genetic link to Matar.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Ran Kullervo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2013-02-14 23:19:04 UTC
A Minmatar always pays his debts.
Takrow Matoris
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-02-14 23:54:57 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Takrow Matoris wrote:
You do realize that we were just at our infancy of space exploration right?


Yes.

Quote:
If we were allowed time, we would have made our way across the cluster on our own.


The Gallente perhaps, would have planted themselves on those worlds before you got to them.

Quote:
No we do not owe you a debt.


Perhaps you should give back all those planets the Empire terraformed.

Maybe that should be the offer, hmm?

Trade all those planets for the remaining slaves that have some vague genetic link to Matar.


And your one of the many reasons why my people raise their weapons, instead of their voice towards your empire.

I have a better offer, how about you get off your high chair and come to your senses. Then maybe we can stop arguing and actually come some real terms on why my people owe your people. Cause in truth it would be your people that owes ours with 700 years of enslavement. So try to think about this from our point of view for once.
Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#12 - 2013-02-15 00:00:57 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
We owe a debt to the Amarr for bringing us to God and away from tribalism, more than for spreading us across space.

It is only unfortunate that the journey has been filled with so much needless struggle.


Please contact me, at your convenience, and I will arrange for you a personal meeting with God.

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"
Brother Ludwigus
#13 - 2013-02-15 00:06:50 UTC
The Gallente, the Caldari and even the Matar all have slaves of their own. All those little people down on those planets producing things and toiling in the dirt for you have been forced by simply being born into their positions. Slavery by another name. This "controversy" is merely a way for the Gallenteans to destabilise our economy. You don't see them trying to abolish employment in their own space, yet the issue is the same.

Soli Deo gloria.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#14 - 2013-02-15 00:40:57 UTC
Brother Ludwigus wrote:
The Gallente, the Caldari and even the Matar all have slaves of their own. All those little people down on those planets producing things and toiling in the dirt for you have been forced by simply being born into their positions. Slavery by another name. This "controversy" is merely a way for the Gallenteans to destabilise our economy. You don't see them trying to abolish employment in their own space, yet the issue is the same.


I apologize, sir. Hearing this line of argument makes me bare my teeth.

Anyone who claims an equivalence between slavery and employment is familiar with neither. I am held in ironclad contracts with Lai Dai which I would be hard pressed to break, if I ever felt the desire to, and I would never dream that these irrefutable bonds are anything even approaching slavery. I have met too many slaves and former slaves to dare equivocate between them.

That ones' options are not limitless does not a slave make.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#15 - 2013-02-15 00:41:54 UTC
Ava Starfire wrote:
Please contact me, at your convenience, and I will arrange for you a personal meeting with God.


Looks like someone needs to be poked with the shock stick again.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Brother Ludwigus
#16 - 2013-02-15 00:52:41 UTC
Scherezad wrote:


I apologize, sir. Hearing this line of argument makes me bare my teeth.

Anyone who claims an equivalence between slavery and employment is familiar with neither. I am held in ironclad contracts with Lai Dai which I would be hard pressed to break, if I ever felt the desire to, and I would never dream that these irrefutable bonds are anything even approaching slavery. I have met too many slaves and former slaves to dare equivocate between them.

That ones' options are not limitless does not a slave make.


I've spent a great deal of time tending to the spiritual needs of slaves. They would have the same aggression to suggestions they're being exploited as you do. They are a beautiful and proud people when they realise their potential. But the fact remains that the Matari people are as exploited as the Jin-Mei or the Achura. Of course, less exploitation and a higher standard of living across the board would be nice I'm sure we all agree.

Soli Deo gloria.
BloodBird
The Crucible.
#17 - 2013-02-15 00:58:47 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
When the Empire first encountered the Minmatar, they were confined to just three systems.

At the settlement of things over a hundred years ago, the Minmatar were no longer confined to just a handful of planets, instead, they were spread across the whole cluster.

Thus, the Minmatar owe an immense debt to the Empire, regardless of how many of the Empire's slaves are distantly related to the denizens of those three worlds.


Very nice, Blooder. Start a tread with an arrogant statement that will annoy and anger many, and that is, as a bonus, easily proven wrong. Soon you will have a long argument between the Amarrians and the Minmatar and regardless of what is said, both will very likely have heated replies from their own lowest common denominator and generally make each other look bad, issuing each other more bad publicity.

Shame you were that transparent about it.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#18 - 2013-02-15 01:12:25 UTC
There are many forms of slavery in this corporeal world. The difference is whether or not those other forms of slavery found in the Republic (drugs, poverty) and in the Federation (materialism, wages) lead to darkness or to the Light.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#19 - 2013-02-15 01:25:24 UTC
Brother Ludwigus wrote:
I've spent a great deal of time tending to the spiritual needs of slaves. They would have the same aggression to suggestions they're being exploited as you do. They are a beautiful and proud people when they realise their potential. But the fact remains that the Matari people are as exploited as the Jin-Mei or the Achura. Of course, less exploitation and a higher standard of living across the board would be nice I'm sure we all agree.


You attempt to paint over your own actions by painting me with the same brush, sir.

Employment is not slavery. I am saying this as an Achuran employee of Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetic.
Brother Ludwigus
#20 - 2013-02-15 01:37:35 UTC
Scherezad wrote:


You attempt to paint over your own actions by painting me with the same brush, sir.

Employment is not slavery. I am saying this as an Achuran employee of Lai Dai Research Biomedical and Cybernetic.


And a capsuleer, no less. You're not one of the toiling workers. Just as some of them, the little people beneath our mighty space boots, are treated with a kindness and respect they deserve, some are treated horrendously. In Cladari or Ammar space. A good employer is like a good slaveholder and a good employee a good slave. I'm certain that were your economic system of exploitation less like the Gallentean variety they would've begun a PR campaign to make employment a dirty word too.

Soli Deo gloria.
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