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Threshold for ganking a Freighter should be higher? Discuss
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#41 - 2013-02-14 17:16:04 UTC
Core Researcher wrote:


yep.I certainly proved something. Enough time wasted on you i think.

Jump freighters are an even bigger issue it seems from the replies so far.

it takes original calcs and adds 5bn more into the mix.


The cost of a victims hull means nothing at all in gank calculations.
Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-02-14 17:17:49 UTC
You're asking for a way to be gankproof with just one pilot. Why? One of the established themes of this game is that if all else is equal, more dudes do better than fewer dudes.

To put this in perspective, what if I asked for a way for a single pilot to suicide gank a freighter? You feel you should be allowed to play solo in the middle of an MMO? Have you considered instead playing this as a competitive multiplayer game? It's really good if you get your head in the game.

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TheBlueMonkey
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-02-14 17:21:05 UTC
Core Researcher wrote:
Ive seen courier packages smaller than a pea with 1bn ISK collateral.


Don't use freighters for these contracts?
Us something small that has a quick align time?
Like an ibis etc?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#44 - 2013-02-14 17:22:08 UTC
Core Researcher wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, freighters and jump freighters are fine. They do not need to be changed or fixed.


thank you your omnipotence, glad you could set us all straight with your reasoning and debate.

You haven't demonstrated that anything needs to change.
Until then the default assumption is that nothing needs to change.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#45 - 2013-02-14 17:31:59 UTC
Wow, what a terrible idea. ISK tanking is the stupidest thing anyone ever thought of.

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Core Researcher
Not You Fat Jesus
#46 - 2013-02-14 20:23:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Core Researcher
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Core Researcher wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, freighters and jump freighters are fine. They do not need to be changed or fixed.


thank you your omnipotence, glad you could set us all straight with your reasoning and debate.

You haven't demonstrated that anything needs to change.
Until then the default assumption is that nothing needs to change.


really?

So to run a few comparisons:

you lose your battleship but the game then charges you an additional 100m isk for your 'cargo'.
you lose your battlecruiser but the game then charges you an additional 50m isk for your çargo'

and you would be happy with this?
You wouldnt ask for balance

then we get the usual terribad response people roll out to this debate time and time again (looking at you trollface):

dont try to play solo in an MMO.

Fine - lets lock all mission gates, explorations sites, complexes, belts and pvp unless there is more than 1 player trying to access them/it.

No one will complain right, cause its an MMO durrrrr

Galaxy Pig wrote:
Wow, what a terrible idea. ISK tanking is the stupidest thing anyone ever thought of.


and here is a representative for the gankers. Sorry another representative.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#47 - 2013-02-14 20:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Core Researcher wrote:
Galaxy Pig wrote:
Wow, what a terrible idea. ISK tanking is the stupidest thing anyone ever thought of.
and here is a representative for the gankers. Sorry another representative.
No. It's a representative of common sense. The cost of the victim's ship is irrelevant. ISK does not make your ship stronger, for good reason: cost is not a balancing factor. The fact that you can kill billions worth of hull and cargo with less than a million ISK means that the game is balanced properly.

Any demand that some given ship should be harder to kill because it costs more is based on nothing but ignorance — it is a direct request that the game should be unbalanced.

If you don't want your expensive ship blown up, fly it responsibly and don't give people a reason to shoot at it. There, problem solved.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#48 - 2013-02-14 20:40:08 UTC
Core Researcher wrote:


Galaxy Pig wrote:
Wow, what a terrible idea. ISK tanking is the stupidest thing anyone ever thought of.


and here is a representative for the gankers. Sorry another representative.


If tanks were based upon isk value the federate issue megathron would have a base EHP at least five times greater than any titan.
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-02-14 20:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: David Cedarbridge
Core Researcher wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Core Researcher wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, freighters and jump freighters are fine. They do not need to be changed or fixed.


thank you your omnipotence, glad you could set us all straight with your reasoning and debate.

You haven't demonstrated that anything needs to change.
Until then the default assumption is that nothing needs to change.


really?

So to run a few comparisons:

you lose your battleship but the game then charges you an additional 100m isk for your 'cargo'.
you lose your battlecruiser but the game then charges you an additional 50m isk for your çargo'

and you would be happy with this?
You wouldnt ask for balance

then we get the usual terribad response people roll out to this debate time and time again (looking at you trollface):

dont try to play solo in an MMO.

Fine - lets lock all mission gates, explorations sites, complexes, belts and pvp unless there is more than 1 player trying to access them/it.

No one will complain right, cause its an MMO durrrrr

Galaxy Pig wrote:
Wow, what a terrible idea. ISK tanking is the stupidest thing anyone ever thought of.


and here is a representative for the gankers. Sorry another representative.

You might be catching on that being wrong makes you unpopular on Spacebook.


You're demanding a single pilot solution to counter the work of 10-30 other players. Maybe you should respond in kind to the obvious opposite. Why can't I gank your freighter with just my one ship? I think its rediculous that I should have to find other people to help me gank you.


EDIT: By jove, you seem to be under some delusion that battleships and battlecruisers don't have cargo holds or don't drop a portion of their fitted modules. Stop posting. Nobody is demanding "balance" (please figure out what that word means before using it again) against the game mechanics causing fitted modules and cargo to drop.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#50 - 2013-02-14 20:43:47 UTC
I thought freighter ganking wasn't an issue anymore after Retribution? The only dead freighters in highsec I see are ones that have been killed through wardecs.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#51 - 2013-02-14 20:48:15 UTC
EI Digin wrote:
I thought freighter ganking wasn't an issue anymore after Retribution? The only dead freighters in highsec I see are ones that have been killed through wardecs.


Most of Bat country are either in your space having fun or working on new projects. We arnt exactly short of cash at the momentTwisted
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-02-14 20:49:58 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
I thought freighter ganking wasn't an issue anymore after Retribution? The only dead freighters in highsec I see are ones that have been killed through wardecs.


Most of Bat country are either in your space having fun or working on new projects. We arnt exactly short of cash at the momentTwisted


Gotta let the fields lay fallow for a while or you overtax the soil.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2013-02-14 20:50:22 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Core Researcher wrote:
So to run a few comparisons:

you lose your battleship but the game then charges you an additional 100m isk for your 'cargo'.
you lose your battlecruiser but the game then charges you an additional 50m isk for your çargo'

and you would be happy with this?
You wouldnt ask for balance

then we get the usual terribad response people roll out to this debate time and time again (looking at you trollface):

dont try to play solo in an MMO.

Fine - lets lock all mission gates, explorations sites, complexes, belts and pvp unless there is more than 1 player trying to access them/it.

No one will complain right, cause its an MMO durrrrr

What the hell does any of this have to do with freighter ganking?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2013-02-14 20:51:21 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
EI Digin wrote:
I thought freighter ganking wasn't an issue anymore after Retribution? The only dead freighters in highsec I see are ones that have been killed through wardecs.


Most of Bat country are either in your space having fun or working on new projects. We arnt exactly short of cash at the momentTwisted


Gotta let the fields lay fallow for a while or you overtax the soil.


So when you gonna lay off the moon goo then?
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#55 - 2013-02-14 20:53:19 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Core Researcher wrote:
So to run a few comparisons:

you lose your battleship but the game then charges you an additional 100m isk for your 'cargo'.
you lose your battlecruiser but the game then charges you an additional 50m isk for your çargo'

and you would be happy with this?
You wouldnt ask for balance

then we get the usual terribad response people roll out to this debate time and time again (looking at you trollface):

dont try to play solo in an MMO.

Fine - lets lock all mission gates, explorations sites, complexes, belts and pvp unless there is more than 1 player trying to access them/it.

No one will complain right, cause its an MMO durrrrr

What the hell does any of this have to do with freighter ganking?

Nothing at all, neither does most of the drivel he vomits on his keyboard...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2013-02-14 20:56:50 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:


So when you gonna lay off the moon goo then?


When it finally gets nerfed.
Meredith Karrde
PORUS- InterStellar Mining Corporation
#57 - 2013-02-14 20:58:00 UTC
There's an impossible bias towards Pirates/Criminals:
1) They are allowed everywhere, where the non-pirates are being killed if we dare enter their territory.
2) A pirate in Hi-Sec (which is completely illogical, in RL they would not even be tolerated in 0.5 space) is PROTECTED from being killed. Targetting a Pirate/Criminal is basically enough to get aggression from the CCP-Concorde. Even if you have a high standing with the space you are in.

We can complain about this until our tongues are worn off, nothing will change.
Probably because one of the Criminals is a GM.
Yes, they are very favorable biassed...
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#58 - 2013-02-14 20:58:59 UTC
It's should be alot lower.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-02-14 21:03:31 UTC
Meredith Karrde wrote:
2) A pirate in Hi-Sec (which is completely illogical, in RL they would not even be tolerated in 0.5 space) is PROTECTED from being killed. Targetting a Pirate/Criminal is basically enough to get aggression from the CCP-Concorde. Even if you have a high standing with the space you are in.

No. Go learn the game before you make dumb remarks about the mechanics.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Whitehound
#60 - 2013-02-14 21:05:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Core Researcher wrote:


Galaxy Pig wrote:
Wow, what a terrible idea. ISK tanking is the stupidest thing anyone ever thought of.


and here is a representative for the gankers. Sorry another representative.


If tanks were based upon isk value the federate issue megathron would have a base EHP at least five times greater than any titan.

So now you want to build Titans out of a single Tritanium, because your argument works here, too.

You then get cheap Titans and because ISK tank makes no sense.

I guess you need to get back under your bridge and find a better punch line than this.

Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling.