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A huge marketing opportunity for CCP: Comet ISON

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Miyammato Musashi
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
#1 - 2013-02-13 22:03:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Miyammato Musashi
Comet ISON (C/2012 S1) is scheduled to potentially become a comet so bright it's visible in the daytime and at night it could dominate the sky and outshine the moon in November of 2013 and January of 2014. Can you imagine if CCP launched comet mining around that time? Every evening everyone in the world looking up would be seeing an advertisement for EvE online. What do you think?

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#2 - 2013-02-13 22:27:59 UTC
Interesting article, horrible presentation.

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Miyammato Musashi
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
#3 - 2013-02-13 23:02:50 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Interesting article, horrible presentation.

Question Me or Discovery?

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2013-02-13 23:06:49 UTC
At a time where budgets are stressed, you want CCP to build a multi-billion dollar spacecraft, then launch it and mine an asteroid.
I dont know if its drugs you are on, or need to be on.

Anyways, if you wanted it to be a REAL advertisement for Eve Online...they would send a miner to mine the asteroid...then send up another ship to gank it.

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Miyammato Musashi
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
#5 - 2013-02-13 23:16:28 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
At a time where budgets are stressed, you want CCP to build a multi-billion dollar spacecraft, then launch it and mine an asteroid.
I dont know if its drugs you are on, or need to be on.

Anyways, if you wanted it to be a REAL advertisement for Eve Online...they would send a miner to mine the asteroid...then send up another ship to gank it.

not sure where I lost you... not real life comet mining i meant comet mining as an in-game feature marketed along side the RL event.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#6 - 2013-02-13 23:53:05 UTC
Miyammato Musashi wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Interesting article, horrible presentation.

Question Me or Discovery?


Discovery then you. The idea has the same fallacy as the google ad search cookie. You want CCP to create comet mining in game so that when players look up at the comet at the end of the year they will think of Eve thus cheap advertisement.

Players. People who are already playing the game. These people are your target group.

The google search cookie does the same thing. Many times we get threads of people who cheerfully announce that they saw an eve ad on some site and that eve is advertising. In reality what is happening is that the player comes here or visits some other eve related sites. This tells the cookie that they are interested in things related to eve online so it is going to try to sell you eve online.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#7 - 2013-02-14 02:18:10 UTC
isn't there already ice mining?

because, you know, thats what comets are. Lol

however, comets are pretty and i, as a player attracted to the aesthetically pleasing (gameplay be damned), support the mining of them in game.

get on this ccp.
Miyammato Musashi
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
#8 - 2013-02-14 02:46:46 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Miyammato Musashi wrote:
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Interesting article, horrible presentation.

Question Me or Discovery?


Discovery then you. The idea has the same fallacy as the google ad search cookie. You want CCP to create comet mining in game so that when players look up at the comet at the end of the year they will think of Eve thus cheap advertisement.

Players. People who are already playing the game. These people are your target group.

The google search cookie does the same thing. Many times we get threads of people who cheerfully announce that they saw an eve ad on some site and that eve is advertising. In reality what is happening is that the player comes here or visits some other eve related sites. This tells the cookie that they are interested in things related to eve online so it is going to try to sell you eve online.

Hmm... OK well that's not exactly how the google ad placements work, just FYI. There are several criteria that can cause you to see an embedded eve online ad. For instance, maybe you are logged into google services and google determines that you 1) are interested in video games and 2) have an interest in science fiction content and 3) participate in community driven websites, then an eve ad might display. It's not as simple as simply visiting and eve page or having explicitly done a search for eve. Now, yes if you are already an eve fan you probably have a high probability of seeing an ad as well... not only because you did a search for eve or something, but because the conditions 1,2,&3 above apply to you as a web surfer. Even what I'm describing is an oversimplification. I do a lot of google advertising for people. It's usually pretty effective, and in any case it's really easy to quantify and track your success if you set up google analytics to work with it and have access to the clients financials so you can see how it translates into client conversions.

All that said, it really doesn't have much to do with what I'm saying. If people see some amazing, once in a lifetime celestial event they may look for a game that comes close to simulating a more intimate encounter w/ said event, and I'm saying that eve could easily put in a feature that they've already been talking about to satisfy that curiosity or need from new potential players. That's all.

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jason hill
Red vs Blue Flight Academy
#9 - 2013-02-14 15:57:30 UTC
comet mining was talked about a few years back ..... but like with most things with CCP they say one thing ...then do another unfortunatly .
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#10 - 2013-02-14 18:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: silens vesica
jason hill wrote:
comet mining was talked about a few years back ..... but like with most things with CCP they say one thing ...then do another unfortunatly .

To be fair, there's nothing you could get from a comet that isn't already available.
Complex organics? Cloud mining and PI. Hydrogen and oxygen isotopes? Ice mining. Water? PI. Minerals? Asteroid mining, moon mining, and PI.

So why bother with setting up a new mechanic that only duplicates existing mechanics?

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#11 - 2013-02-14 18:30:03 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
jason hill wrote:
comet mining was talked about a few years back ..... but like with most things with CCP they say one thing ...then do another unfortunatly .

To be fair, there's nothing you could get from a comet that isn't already available.
Complex organics? Cloud mining and PI. Hydrogen and oxygen isotopes? Ice mining. Water? PI. Minerals? Asteroid mining, moon mining, and PI.

So why bother with setting up a new mechanic that only duplicates existing mechanics?


Well he's got me curious now to be honest. Since he seems to be in to marketing, I'm wondering if he's worked out the margins yet to see if the number of people who see a comet not being mined but would like to mine a comet in a game, exclusively over other current mining careers, would benefit the time required to design an event that would allow a player to track and mine a single comet.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#12 - 2013-02-14 18:30:20 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
So why bother with setting up a new mechanic that only duplicates existing mechanics?


because they are comets, silly...and they have pretty tails.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#13 - 2013-02-14 20:26:30 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
So why bother with setting up a new mechanic that only duplicates existing mechanics?


because they are comets, silly...and they have pretty tails.

Well, faeces! If that's the reasoning, CCP should be turning our ships into ponies! Those are pretty, and have tails, and you can ride them!

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#14 - 2013-02-14 20:27:33 UTC
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
jason hill wrote:
comet mining was talked about a few years back ..... but like with most things with CCP they say one thing ...then do another unfortunatly .

To be fair, there's nothing you could get from a comet that isn't already available.
Complex organics? Cloud mining and PI. Hydrogen and oxygen isotopes? Ice mining. Water? PI. Minerals? Asteroid mining, moon mining, and PI.

So why bother with setting up a new mechanic that only duplicates existing mechanics?


Well he's got me curious now to be honest. Since he seems to be in to marketing, I'm wondering if he's worked out the margins yet to see if the number of people who see a comet not being mined but would like to mine a comet in a game, exclusively over other current mining careers, would benefit the time required to design an event that would allow a player to track and mine a single comet.
Damn. You slipped an interesting point into the conversation. Now I'm curious, too.

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Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2013-02-14 22:27:32 UTC
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Sab Sab Five
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-02-15 02:22:17 UTC
Quote:
To be fair, there's nothing you could get from a comet that isn't already available.


not exactly true. comets haul ass, so when you scanned it down, it would be travelling. Different ones would be different speeds, which would mean different builds for mining ships, which would need speed.

maybe they could shed smaller particles that you could tractor beam to your ship, but the majority would be moving. This would make the pvp surrounding them more dynamic as well. Webs and micro jump drives would see lots of play tactically.

its an interesting notion. Course, it might just prove to be awkward.
Miyammato Musashi
Freeport Exploration
Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
#17 - 2013-02-15 04:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Miyammato Musashi
The hardest thing about marketing in my view is also the most streight-forward. The initial hook in most cases is worth about 95%+ of your effort/expense. Comet ISON could be a dud. It could be destroyed by the sun so badly that all we see is a faint haze in january. Right now, things are looking really good for a low magnitude object though, below a -13 (lower is brighter and a -13 is crazy). If this happens, I guarantee you there will be all kinds of BS iWhatever and Android games, facebook games, etc that take advantage of it, and they will sell like crazy. If you want to hook someone who has never played before, I don't think there will be a RL event short of aliens doing a flyby over new york that will garner more attention. You pput a video out showing people mining a comet in eve, and it will be featured in every article (and there will be MANY) talking about this huge object blazing across a third or better of the night sky every night when people are getting off of work for months. People will want to read about this. It'll be a global event. CCP could get an unprecedented amount of free press right there. Think of all the trials that would start up! Just getting a shout out on the countless news articles that pop up about it will pay for the development of such a feature 100 fold.

Demographics: People reading about Comet ISON, assuming it's as big as it's theorized to be, will be:

1) Legion. Everyone on earth who sees the night sky for months will probably want to know what they are looking at, and will at some point probably read an article or content piece about it.

2) Unfiltered. Instead of targeting one tight demo, which makes sense if you want to get the most for each advertising dollar, CCP will be in front of the eyes of EVERYONE reading about the comet. Why does this make sense? Because it's not about marketing efficiency if you aren't paying for the ad space. If ad space is free, you want to be in front of every set of eyeballs you can possibly get to focus on your message. In this case, the global population with internet access.

3) Shocked. Stories? You won't have any. The parents of your grandparents have NEVER seen a celestial event like what's predicted. They can't say s*** about it. Nobody can. ISON will probably be unprecedented in living experience on Earth. That makes for an audience open to a new experience. A new experience like eve.

Success breeds success. Conversations about the comet will abound, and perhaps in some fraction of those conversations eve will get a name drop. The only downside is that the comet is a bust (possible but unlikely) and eve gets a cool new feature that people wanted anyway. Moon mins, something new, who cares? Just add the feature and all this and more can be CCPs... and by extension, ours!

Edit: If ISON is what it ought to be, you will not need headlights at night to drive safely and you'll be able to read a book by comet light at midnight no problem. No joke. Don't take it from me though! Read about it!

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#18 - 2013-02-15 07:06:51 UTC
marketing strategies based on comets passing...what a strange pass we have come to.

i miss the time when comets were simply signs and portents of events bearing great magnitude upon humankind. the common folk hiding in their stick and mud/dung huts until the flaming harbinger of doom left the sky. animal sacrifice to determine what the omens were telling us.

oh, those were the days.