Wormholes

you haven't flown a venture or attempted to kill one? (doesn't matter the space its in)...

fit properly for gas harvesting without links, bonuses etc., you should be able to get 4.3K ehp with either WC+3 @ 3,800 m/sec or WC+2 @ 4,450 m/sec - imagine with links

even if the fleet drops on a gas crew without a 3 point inty tackling and a rapier slowing them down you're chances are slim [inb4 I killed 1, most people in Eve are bad, so not aligned and no heat on the mwd etc., panic...)

so. people are improvising and gimping sb's by adding 3 points and using ac's

AND then you kill 1 and it's worth 10 million isk, might drop 3-4 mill, lot of work for no reward. Hope that made sense.

Again, I'm not getting the butthurt. Granted I know that this thread was intended less as a venture whine and more of a bad mechanic allowing gas harvesting without NPC aggro complaint. But still.

Like I said, first, ITS GAS. Gas is driven by the market. Produce too much, price goes down. Price goes down will cause at least some people to decide it's not worth harvesting yada yada. Just like miners over mining.

Given that everyone economically seems to be talking about high end gasses, I have a hard time believing this is impacting a C5+'s incoming that much. You can make far more in an evening of farming those cap escalated sites. And they are more stable since all of that blue loot is a fixed NPC price.

Can't get easy ganks anymore? Was it really that satisfying to catch that shitfit Gas harvesting ferox? Not to mention the actual numbers seem to tell a different story. So far for Feb, 87 frigates were killed in WH space. Out of that 42 where ventures. I didn't count in January (Man I wish I knew better ways of pulling data from killboards so I could get kills by ship type etc) since there were hundreds of frigates killed. But just a glance through the pages would make me bet around half were ventures yet again. So even as hard as they are to catch, lots seem to be dying. Just as a point of reference, If 50% of frigate kills in January where ventures, that would put the number arounr 500. Also in January 691 T3 cruisers were killed...

though i have not mined low sec gas in ages. yes the low and null gass clouds do some damage when you mine from them

Ninja mining/gas harvesting frigate is good at ninja mining/gas harvesting so its BAD?

When I referred to warping sabre to 0, I was assuming you'd have a fleet following (sabre au/second warp is much higher than average ship).

FYI, sebo'd stealth bomber with scram would also work. Stealth bomber has no delay from targeting, so you should be able to point and scram a venture in time for the cloaky rapier/dps to get there.

Yes, I know, its a ridiculously cheap ship. Hence why I said warp in a sabre at 0, so you can be sure to get pods.

Sadly, I am currently in null sec for friendship's sake. I have come to a place where I play this game about people, not play styles. I like the current group of guy's I'm with, so I'm bro'ing it up in Null Sec for a bit with my current corp. I do have plans to return to the holes though soon(tm), and have a crew ready to launch at my word, but I have other commitments in game and they have real life to sort out first so.... No, I have not tried to kill this elusive venture. I just find all the crying about it... unbecoming of you all, as wormholers.

Wormholers are l33t and epic compared to the rest of EVE . We have skill sets the average player does not have, and we are shadowy ninja masters of gank that appear from nowhere, burn down a whole bunch of ****, and then leave. I know wormholers as intrepid enterprisers... I'm sure you can think of a way to efficiency murder ventures and be on your way.

http://no-ho.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7887
lol. only time ive ever lost a gas ship. dude had site bm'ed, no probes on scan. got two of my other ships out before he landed...third got caught by bubble(was even orbiting middle of cloud at 15km). **** happens. nice catch by him.

CCP May have fixed ninja harvesting. Couple of corpmates (who know how to make ninja and bounce locations) had sleepers aggro when they were ninja harvesting an instrumental. Had this happen to us today as well. Had to warp out and grab the tengus.

So if CCP has fixed it, then thats awesome. If CCP hasnt fixed ninja harvesting and sleeper aggro in ladars is broken... dont fix it.

Please excuse my corpmate, he's terrible at eve. Apparently someone thinks being at 110k's is a ninja. I suspect the cloud they were at was partially gassed out across downtime so the cloud shrunk.

Curious. Which gas sites have you confirmed this at, because other corpmates have done it since patch day without problems, in both instrumentals and vitals.

Confirming that sleepers aggro 140km in an instrumental after being properly set up.

Great to see that CCP is finally fixing some wh related problems, maybe we should open up a thread on enabling t3 refitting and repackaging/stacking in POSes.