Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Assuming the nullbear doesn't warp away the moment a non-blue enters system.
"Non-blue, warp to POS/station!"


Finally a half decent point. Risk would be similar (though still lower than) to wormhole space. Perhaps increasing profit would be acceptable, to compensate for this. Or allow Sov holders to put in some mods that help counter cloakers (without completely breaking them and making them worthless.)


No, you're just attacking everyone who disagrees with you by saying they're bad at PvP because nullbears warp off as soon as a non-blue enters system. This is the reason why so many people ***** about AFK cloaking. Because one afk cloaker entering system causes all of them to dock up instantly.


Once easy mode intel is broken, they can implement a counter to cloaks.


Not sure about your numbers, but assuming nothing is done to counter cloaks, a buff to income would be acceptable to me.




Oh, also as for non-cloaked ships (again, assuming they remove local and make a counter to cloaking), it's as easy as watching D-scan and warping off the moment something shows up within a couple AU of you. Even the newest newb should be able to do that.

I think it might even be interesting if while a cloaky was in system, regardless of the range you set D-scan at, if it was within 15AU of you you'd get an "anomalous reading" on the D-scan. Basically it'd tell you there's a cloaky within 15 AU. There would only be one reading, no matter how many cloakies there were, but that one reading would inform you that there was something out there. You'd be warned, but you would have no idea how far away, nor which direction. You would have no intel on who it was or which ship they were in.

Just my thought on that idea.

This is less of a threat without local than it is with local, which may seem strange.

With local, cynos get used tactically, to avoid warning a target with that population spike of non friendly ships which is so obvious when compared to one non friendly ship in a list.
Without local, cynos would normally avoid hot dropping as a tactical solution, since the cyno is effectively a gate through which your forces arrive.
Like any system change, they need to load the UI, and become oriented so they know what they can target or what modules will be needed for defense ASAP.

A hot drop, without local, is effectively creating a gate camp populated by every ship within firing range. Add to that, every ship in system that you could alert the moment that cyno appeared, who could reasonably warp to you before the incoming jumper ships were able to react.

Without local, the cyno popping ship has to hope there is no hostile fleet present, ready to jump all over them. Carriers make delicious meals for prepared fleets tucked away in systems. And they can move to likely systems when they hear a scout is in the area looking for targets too. Not really a lucky guess that the scout will try to target the barges and ratting ships.

Cyno use becomes strategic, if not obsolete in many cases, as simple gate travel becomes more practical for moving the groups involved.

I REALLY dislike the idea of POS modules providing local intel..... POS modules are too well defended, generally have too many HP (if outside shields), and aren't something a "small gang" can neutralize. Additionally, it swings the pendulum WAY to far in favor of the defenders... who should already be setup in system with a solid idea of how many are in local, etc... The raiders would not only NOT know who was in system, they would now be fully identified by a nearly invulnerable POS mod?

No way....

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You make it sound as if poping a cyno is dangerous!! That hunters would become prey in a matter of seconds. I have seen single blues cry for help in local that they are under attack so many times while local was filled with a lot of friendlies. Most of the time those guys died and the only attention they got was questions back to them in local chat by their own budies like: "how many are they?" "what ships are they in?" and stuff like that.

By the way, ask FAZOR if they think cynos are obsolete. Just the fear of cynos keeps them from undocking.

If we are going to define the qualities of such a structure, I think your objections contained the exact wording we should be looking for.

These items should be more comparable to a warp bubble in their durability, not some current POS structure with overwhelming durability.
The first target of any hostile roam should be this structure, and finding it should not be difficult. Look on sensors for the equivalent of a searchlight aimed at the gate.

Ahh... I would love to come to W space.

I have a few requirements first, though.

Live and stable gate connections to other sections of space, and between internal systems.
Outposts, NPC and player built both. This will include the sub category of med clones and jump clones as an additional difference.
The Market. Present in all it's glory, even if only stocked by player activity and some minor NPC items.

Well, the problem is that if you say remove local,

first you will make to difficult to find someone in a roaming,

second, you will make too dangerous to mine out of hi-sec, killing what is left of the industry

third, using directional scanner is a pain in the ****

I can't think in any possible simple solution for this...

If you remove local, you will have to remove the warp scramblers to give a chance to avoid the combat...and this would demand all combat in eve to be revamped.

Sounds lazy to me. People mine in wormholes, they rely on scouts and dscan for hunting and survival. They dont complain about it. Seems like nullsec wants things to be easier and dont really want any sort of challenge, yet they keep complaining about afk cloakers which appear in local channel.