EVE General Discussion

It is called killboard and not repairboard.

Do you now? I waded through the first 10 pages of your ship losses and did not see a single Logistics ship listed. Am I to suppose that the other Logi in your Alliance only rep you when you are flying Logistics? It looks to me like you are a DPS pilot Trolling me with no credentials to back up your statement.

I am not saying that there are not legitimate Logi pilots who share the sentiments you are espousing. I am just saying that I think you are only pretending to be one of those pilots in order to Troll me.

Once upon a time it was actually a major tactical error for Logi to put drones/whoreguns on targets, because as long as they didn't they could still jump and/or dock if needed. Now, if you rep someone that has a weapons flag, you are just as stuck as they are, so in all honesty I'd expect even the most disciplined logi pilots of the past to change their policy on the use of whoredrones.

That would be a blessing to the game.

You still burn a lock slot (or more!) controlling hostile drones. You still didn't bring rep drones. You still didn't save your ECM drones for when they actually matter. But yeah, I'm not gonna be actively hostile to whoredrones like I am to whoreguns.

-Liang

Now that PVP penalties have been applied to Logistics and Support pilots, isn’t it about time the PVP rewards be applied to them as well?

If a Logistics pilot reps a Suspect ship it gets flagged as Suspect and takes a Sec status hit accordingly. In High Sec the risk of flying Logistics has gone from no risk (neutral alts) to high risk (they will probably be primaried as soon as they go flashy). In Low Sec Logistics pilots will be taking the Sec status hits for ship and POD kills without getting any credit for them. I imagine it will not be long before I have to chose whether I rep someone who has killed a POD or tell them to try not to take too much damage for the next 15 minutes. As a DPS pilot I can choose not to kill PODs, but as a Logistics pilot my responsibility to my fleet is going to require I eat a lot of Criminal flags in Low Sec.

So if Logistics pilots are going to suffer the same penalties for PVP, should they not get some credit as well? I think that if you use a support module on a fleet member who has an active offensive module, then you should be listed as an aggressor toward the target of that offensive module and if that target dies you should be listed on the Kill Mail. After all, you are getting flagged for the act.

I have done most of my PVP in NPC Null Sec so I still have a +3 Sec status even though I have not done a mission in nine months. However I just joined a Low Sec PVP alliance and I intend to fly Logistics. This means that my Sec status will tank, and since I can’t reasonably chose not to participate in POD kills it means it will tank fast. This is the new cost of flying Logistics in Low Sec, and I can accept that. But it would be a lot easier to accept if I actually got credit for the kill. What really bothers me is what this is going to do to my kill board. My kill board is going to show nothing but Guardian and Scimitar losses, and all my ratios are going to go negative.

There are workarounds, but non of them make any tactical sense. I am not going to mount a gun on my Logistics ship as it would require me to drop a remote rep, and I am not going to drop a prop or an ECCM mod for a point or some other Ewar module. The most viable workaround is to use combat or Ewar drones, and assign them to one of my more aggressive fleet members. However, this is cumbersome, prone to drone loss, and is too much of a distraction when fighting through a gate camps while roaming. Trying to control combat drones yourself is even worse. You are likely to end up repping enemy ships while setting your drones on friendly targets.

There are many Logistics pilots who maintain that it is better to go full support and carry repair drones and I tend to fall into this camp. Particularly with Shield Logistics ships, where I think it is a good idea to carry some armour rep drones to repair any damage that may have gotten through the shields, since armour does not self generate as shields do between engagements.

When using a support module (remote rep, energy transfer, remote sensor booster, etc.) on a ship with an active offensive module, you should be added to the kill mail if the target of the offensive module dies. It is about time that Logistics pilots start getting some credit and recognition for their contribution to PVP.