Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I see the social benefit of having local and i even enjoy it sometimes, however, it is not very logical. No other game tells you who is near them at any given time, especially when you go into PVP zones. My suggestion is to keep the local channel but only show people in local who decide to chat in said channel. That way people can make themselves known if desired or stay under the radar. This would cause players who are operating in low security systems to play more dynamically. Miners would need to actually have support ships instead of just warping off every time a scary face jumps into the system. Also scanning would become more common to keep an eye on the system. Maybe only implement this for the low security systems. Don't know if CCP has addressed this, they probably have, but I still feel it should be changed.

Local provide a lot of benefits....

It helps you find targets... It helps you find fights... It provides lots of very useful intel in a fairly balanced manner...

At the same time... I think some minor tweaks would be appropriate...

Best option... Create an actual intel system... The system should be mostly automated and balanced for all parties... This is what I'd like to see....

Other than that... a minor tweak, like a 10-15 second delay between entering local and appearing on the list would work too.... It biases the system... a little... but I think it would be manageable and encourage roaming again...

No local on easily accessible systems is problematic.... and would break the game by swinging the pendulum too far towards predators...

If you read my thread, you'd see it is not Biased like you suggest...

The delay on local is biased... but that's because perfect intel is biased towards the defender...

I'm posting this because it needs to be done, not from a PVP standpoint like you assumed, but from a logical and role playing perspective. I could be a pirate just as easily as I could be a miner and I would still be saying the same thing. I want it to add more of an adventurous feel when entering low sec systems on both fronts. You should try looking at things from different perspectives before you assume and look like an a$$. Not to mention if this were to happen getting kills would actually become more difficult since players would rarely venture out alone and would be better fitted for a PVP encounter if they did.

No way in HELL is it unbiased.

a player appears in local before he even laods grid, which means any ******* who wants to carebear his heart away in low/null has all the time in the world to warp to a POS/Station, completely negating ANY roaming gang's ability to get pvp that isnt concentual (hint hint, in null that emans i would have to wait 3 hours for you and you 499 friends to fleet up and come after my 10 man cruiser gang).

its not unbiased at all, in fact, local is SO biased in favor of defenders and carebears its ridiculous, which is why i live in wormholes, no local to prevent fights.

Seems like you rely on local intel too much

I've removed a personal attack from this thread.

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@Nariya Kentaya

No you are pretty wrong Inteal channel does nothing it helps nobody. And it's stupid to suggest it does because carebares have been dying hour after hour for 10 years in a row. It's you, you fail at pvp and you want local changed to your benefits so you can get free and effortless kills.

It's pathetic

Also since you guys are so fail at pvp and think intel helps so much let me provide some proof at how fail and wrong you are, im both carebare and pvper and i have never had a problem of catching either neither has the majority in 10 years:

TEST has superb intel channel, he even warped to a POS a lot of good that did for him, we
were in their space for 3h killing things:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15663648

Intel channel and his corpmates couldnt help him either when he tried runing for the pos and this is a cloacky
transport:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15662579

So much good did the intel channel and bubles on all gates do for this guy:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15714950

And oh let's not forget the top piece of the cacke:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=16278677


And we have split second perfect intel channels and these guys without much effort and basic pvp skill managed to catch me despite me being fully aligned. Hat's off to them i have been using caps on all my toons for over 2.5 years and never lost one congrats to these guys.

I could list so so many because it's just so so easy to catch anyone in nullsec despite everything you listed.

Anyhow me and the rest of eve with basic pvp skills are living and solid proof that intel channels are bullshit and that if you have the basic skills in pvp you can catch anyone and i mean anyone, anywhere, anytime with any amount of perfect voice and chat intel.

*sigh* Learn to read man. I'm not arguing from the pvp perspective. Im arguing for the simple fact that it doesnt make any sense for local to be there in the first place. As for unbalancing the game that might be the dumbest thing i have heard. A change like that effects everyone equally carebear or no. As for skill in pvp, like i said before, it has the potential to make pvp slightly more challenging if anything. No local would probably mean less solo miners out there for pirates to gank and ratters would have stronger setups. All it would do is create another, slightly more realistic, dynamic that i think EVE needs. You have said pretty much the same thing every time you post so please argue from a different point and stop saying I need effortless kills when pvp is not even the basis of my argument.

This.

Gizznitt has nailed some very key points as to why Amazing Intel™ is overpowered. His linked idea has some really strong points too.
In case you did not notice, by using this Amazing Intel™ you do NOT need to protect or prepare your ship in any other way against hostile intervention.

They can never attack you, unless you stop paying attention and ignore them coming into system after you.
You have the ability to avoid them 100% of the time.

This also screws up mining, and ratting. Ever notice the rewards in high sec are comparable to null and low? Sure, null and low are higher reward, but not by enough to lure out those in high doing a cost / benefit analysis.

I want to mine and rat, and be at risk as defined by my efforts in a contest against the efforts of my counterparts. Whether they are trying to duplicate my efforts in another area, or flying a PvP ship to blow my ship out of the skies.
I am sick of being force fed intel that dumbs down my efforts to excel, and as a result dumbs down the rewards for my efforts.
It's like we are in some sad kind of daycare for toddlers.

Now, my idea was to do something along the lines of adding passive / active sensor items to the overview. Active reflecting more effort, and using an evolved version of D-Scan similar to what we have now.
Details here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112964&find=unread

Awareness of your environment does not favor offense or defense. It only creates opportunities to prepare or fail at preparing.
If you need intel fed to you, with zero effort as the current system has it, then we know how you would come out.