Player Features and Ideas Discussion

GREAT ideas, CCP! This will make armor tanking really competitive! However, it'll make some nano-fit ships semi-obsolete, since with the new changes, armor will no longer make ships move like a walrus on roller skates.

However, I do have one concern about the new AAR, which I do like, and it's this; on a large AAR, at current market prices you're looking at 200,000 ISK per cycle to use the module. Comparatively, the ASB uses Cap Booster charges which are much, MUCH cheaper than the Nanite Repair Paste, is 3,200 ISK per cycle using Cap Booster 400's. Considering the costs, and not forgetting that implimenting this module will trigger some inflation on NRP, a shield-fitted ship will be a lot more cost effective than an armor-fitted ship would be during combat scenarios.

What I suggest is this; either change the type of fuel that AAR's use (cap boosters, maybe? Or maybe minerals like 50x/200x/400x Tritanium per cycle @ ~ 275 / 1,100 / 2,200 ISK per cycle @ 4m3 per cycle), replace the use of Nanite Repair Paste with straight up Nanites (3,000 / 12,000 / 24,000 ISK per cycle for 1 / 4 / 8 Nanites) or make it easier to make nanite repair paste, which will reduce the cost of NRP, which will also in turn increase the use of module overheating usage game-wide.

I'm personally fond of the 50 / 200 / 400 tritanium idea though, since it's both cheap, easy to impliment, and would make use of an easy to mine mineral. Heck, a PVPer may start mining as a career, just to keep the cargohold full of tritanium! It'll also make sense, storyline wise since it takes metal (tritanium) to make armor, right? :P

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this.

Note: 50/200/400 Tritanium is the same ratio provided of 1/4/8 nanite repair paste, inflated to a level similar to what Cap Booster 400's would be, cost wise.

Fix Noooses!


Or i'll have to bother you on all player events you show up on about ships (I will anyway but still!)


Totally not relevant to this thread but have you considered giving the maller the Harbinger method of dropping a gun for a utility high while increasing the bonus? Because that would be awesome.

Mediums and smalls yes.


You're a scrub if you don't use navies on L/XL though

I guess he also doesnt install rigs, cause they so damn expensive and - which is much more important! - he cannot loot them from his own wreck after a fight.
These space-poor dudes are so funny!

And in case you wonder, your reinforced tanking mode is made expensive _on_purpose_ to avoid messing with PVE.

Awwww..... a Megathron-plushie.... MUST HUG!

Hang on. I remember someone asking about navy paste, as navy cap boosters are a great benefit to the ASB.

What if, and I know this is a bit crazy, the AARs could run either?

Use Nanites for normal use, nanite paste for additional reps, or reduced cap requirement? Even a new "Armour Paste" using nanites and tritanium could be made so that the actual amount of space used is the same.

Am I barking up the wrong tree?

From the OP -

Plates
• Add a new skill to the game called Armor Upgrades. This skill reduces the mass penalty of all armor plates by 5% per level. (Int/Mem, rank 3, requires Mechanics 3) This skill affects all plates (including 1600mm) and is separate from the stat change listed below.
• Reduce the base mass penalty on all 800mm, 200mm and 50mm plates by 20%


I think some may weigh the option of 800 and 200 plates now on their BCs and Frigs. And especially at the BC/Cruiser level a tech II 800mm plate will look more attractive, whether attractive enough to displace the 1600 as mandatory idk. But it will help the situation some. It will mean you don't always have to downgrade to the smallest guns or even undersized guns for some Cruisers as well.

They probably can't code that without breaking something. We asked earlier if it would be possible to fire paste only when overheated, or have a toggle to make the AAR use paste or not, and he mentioned that at the moment that wasn't within the limits of the code. That just makes me think this is even less likely to work within the code.

The reason for the separate module is because it's a way to get around it without breaking things, or having to do a massive overhaul. And I think it's really nicer to get a patch now and a promise of a fix later than just the promise.

Not in the patch on the 19th

Compared to using faction boosters with an ASB the cost of the AAR use is not unreasonable. Remember that armor repairers cycle more slowly than shield boosters, and therefore use their charges more slowly and an ASB.