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Teardrop Butterfly
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-02-11 15:15:12 UTC
I always honour ransoms.

Ransomed a pod for 500m recently actually (wish I'd asked for a bill, he wouldn't tell me what was in it).
I like explosions.
Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#22 - 2013-02-11 19:09:20 UTC
So you paid money to avoid a loss.

You got screwed.

and then you on-purpose lost another 100,000,000

seems legit.

yes

Bodewhin Schwarz
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#23 - 2013-02-12 12:52:19 UTC
I try to honor ransoms, there has only been one occasion where I didn't and "accidentally" shot the pod after being paid, but really I don't like being called names when I'm trying to be nice about taking someones money... *Shrugs*

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VNX
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-02-12 14:56:53 UTC
Would you rather get the pod blown to pieces directly? Ransoms are risky, but there is always a chance you get home safe. If you don't want to play the lottery just say nai. Its not a ******* guarantee. The same reason some govs wont cooperate with terrorists, there is no guarantee hostages will get home safe but you will ALWAYS entertain their habits as long as you pay.

Just because this dude didn't honor this time doesn't mean he wont next time. Its not always black and white.

However, OP is just fine, whats wrong with some sweet revenge?
Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-02-13 09:23:24 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Every time a pirate doesn't honor a ransom, it has a cascade effect that diminishes the likelihood of others believing us when we make ransom offers as well. EVE may be a harsh reality, but there should be some semblance of honor amongst people, even pirates.

You're cutting into my bottom line, ******. Don't expect me to be nice if I ever catch you.


That's why you need to be dealing with professionals like us where alliance policy is to honor ransoms and the alliance will reimburse you at the expense of the alliance and the offender if they break it.

If I'm personally not prepared to let you go I will say so, for example soloing an AF in a T1 frig once I was offered 40 mil to let him go, I told him I can't buy 50 points on battleclinic so he'd have to make the deal REALLY sweet if I was going to let him go. Had he been prepared to pay me 200 mil or something I would have let him go.

Just because I'm aggressive and violent doesn't mean I will automatically break my word too. It's why I give my word so rarely, but you can rest assured that a ransom from me is me giving you my word to let you leave, your pass is good until you jump out or re-ship. I even refunded the 500 mil ransom I got once on a Fleet Issue Tempest because the rats killed him before he could warp out, I had taken my point off and so that ship loss after payment was only mostly my fault. I might have been able to get away with keeping both the ransom and the kill but my reputation and my alliance reputation demanded I return the ISK.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#26 - 2013-02-13 17:05:33 UTC

A lot of EvE players/corps/alliances have E-Honor....

And players that don't, especially in regards to ransoming, have a very negative impact on the entire E-Honor code....

Publishing their name is the right thing to do....
It won't get you isk back, but it opens them up to social justice!


Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-02-13 21:18:22 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

A lot of EvE players/corps/alliances have E-Honor....

And players that don't, especially in regards to ransoming, have a very negative impact on the entire E-Honor code....

Publishing their name is the right thing to do....
It won't get you isk back, but it opens them up to social justice!




I wouldn't say "a lot". Those of us in low sec that make some money (I made a 2-bil ransom from a Proteus pilot a few days ago, for example) will generally honor our ransom requests (read: ransom demands) because it's in our best interest to do so. People like to fall back on, "But EVE is a harsh and cruel world! Harden the **** up!" and act like that explains why they can be absolute pricks to everyone around them.

CCP likes to claim there's a "butterfly effect" in everything on does in EVE. It cascades exponentially until eventually, it reaches a plateau and can no longer grow. If one person does not honor a ransom (be it in a high security war dec or low security ship/pod ransom), then it cascades. People lose faith in the game. You need some semblance of honor to succeed in this game, and you need to foster some type of trust in the community at large. Pirates like myself make a living off of ransoms, as I said before. Hell, I had a reputation for the longest time around Dodixie for honoring all 1v1s that I offered. Sure, I had logistics on field, but they only came into play when the person decided to break it first (via their RR, or reshipping, or docking). It took months to cultivate such a reputation, and when I joined Rebirth. I lost it overnight because they didn't honor 1v1s. My word is only as good as those I surround myself with, and the fact that no matter what I did if there was a juicy kill, the CEO would demand to be allowed to get involved because he needed to pad his killboard.

Anyways, people like this hurt everyone. If there's no trust, then I don't make money. And I am not going to sit in L4s all day to fix that problem.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#28 - 2013-02-14 00:24:14 UTC
If I'm ever in low-sec then I'm using a jump clone with no implants. Avoids a lot of stress.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2013-02-14 01:04:57 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
If I'm ever in low-sec then I'm using a jump clone with no implants. Avoids a lot of stress.


What about your ship? As I said I made a two-bil ransom off a Proteus last week. Some ships you just never want to lose.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-02-14 06:21:45 UTC
Anya Klibor wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
If I'm ever in low-sec then I'm using a jump clone with no implants. Avoids a lot of stress.


What about your ship? As I said I made a two-bil ransom off a Proteus last week. Some ships you just never want to lose.



I thought the motto of Eve was "Don't fly what you can't afford/want to lose"

As for ransoms:
- You undocked, see afore mentioned motto... this includes your pod
- You have just been jumped by people who were happy to reduce your nice ship to energetic slag without provocation...
- You didn't manage to get your pod out...
- They want ISK to let your pod go... see afore mentioned motto...
- You wonder if they will honour the ransom... see point about attacking without provocation...

2 options... lose ship and pod OR lose ship, ISK & probably pod...

See Eve motto.

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.

Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2013-02-14 07:53:07 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Anya Klibor wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
If I'm ever in low-sec then I'm using a jump clone with no implants. Avoids a lot of stress.


What about your ship? As I said I made a two-bil ransom off a Proteus last week. Some ships you just never want to lose.



I thought the motto of Eve was "Don't fly what you can't afford/want to lose"

As for ransoms:
- You undocked, see afore mentioned motto... this includes your pod
- You have just been jumped by people who were happy to reduce your nice ship to energetic slag without provocation...
- You didn't manage to get your pod out...
- They want ISK to let your pod go... see afore mentioned motto...
- You wonder if they will honour the ransom... see point about attacking without provocation...

2 options... lose ship and pod OR lose ship, ISK & probably pod...

See Eve motto.


I tend to fly expensive ships. In general, I have found that if I fly one, I am more selective and smarter about what engagements I decide to pounce on, because it will take a lot of kills to balance it out if I lose it. I've found that even though I'm not the best PvPer around, I am smarter when I think like that. It's not so much risk aversion, really, because I am putting a ton of ISK on the line if I make a mistake. Generally, it's just me, or a small gang too. No fleet, no cyno. I want good fights!

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.

Anabaric
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#32 - 2013-03-18 08:53:59 UTC
Lunix Sigtinius wrote:
I'm not too sure what to say, i got ransomed by 'lust4blood' and paid a good sum of isk for him to spare my clone, dumb I know, and he killed me. So as a result i put a 100 million isk bounty. Anyway just advertising, have fun Big smile


Please link the Killmail, and let me know the amount of ransom paid.
Feel free to do this in game.

Community Manager www.Battleclinic.com @battleclinic Loadouts + Killboards + Forums Twitter @anabaric_eve www.the-bastards.net Recruitment: OPEN

StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#33 - 2013-03-18 09:35:24 UTC
Not honouring ransoms is - stupid.
Because if you payed the ransom why shouldnt you pay next week again?

Saying this: Sell your killrights ;-)
Tora Bushido
The Marmite Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#34 - 2013-03-18 11:02:34 UTC
Dont pay ransoms, dont put bounties on people, just hire us and we'll do the job for you Twisted

DELETE THE WEAK, ADAPT OR DIE !

Meta Gaming Level VII, Psycho Warfare Level X, Smack Talk Level VII.

Anabaric
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#35 - 2013-03-18 11:10:52 UTC
StoneCold wrote:
Saying this: Sell your killrights ;-)


Because kill rights on pirates are useful? Roll

Community Manager www.Battleclinic.com @battleclinic Loadouts + Killboards + Forums Twitter @anabaric_eve www.the-bastards.net Recruitment: OPEN

StoneCold
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#36 - 2013-03-18 11:25:50 UTC
Anabaric wrote:
StoneCold wrote:
Saying this: Sell your killrights ;-)


Because kill rights on pirates are useful? Roll


If this
https://gate.eveonline.com/Profile/lust4blood
is the lust4blood mentioned in the first post i don´t see how killrights wont help.
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2013-03-18 12:37:44 UTC
Not to mention bounty does not mean people will actually come after you.

I got a bill bounty on me. It has not convinced my targets to actually try.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#38 - 2013-03-18 13:27:37 UTC
culo duro wrote:


Tah'ris Khlador

Actually if you get war decced by this guy, and he tell you to pay him isk to stop the war, you can google it and see that he isn't going to stand up for his word.


I read this and googled myself. I did not find such a statement, but I did find a random blog post created 2 months after I started playing EVE by some random ganker where I was quoted from local after he killed someone.

So random.

Also, it is true. I have no authority to accept surrender offers but I will accept your donation to our cause.

Member of the Pink Pony Killboard Padding Alliance

darmwand
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#39 - 2013-03-18 15:23:46 UTC
Thanks for sharing, if I ever meet that person he shall be podded on sight.

Dishonoring ransoms is not acceptable and makes it so much harder to make an honest living in low-sec.

"The pen is mightier than the sword if the sword is very short, and the pen is very sharp."

Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#40 - 2013-03-18 16:46:39 UTC
Next time you could offer to sing instead of sending isk.

Black Man with Goggles

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