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I agree, but i don´t think that any of that would get in consieration again , since the official statement of the handling is already made and this option surely was already on the table. Or am i mistaken?

Edit:

Missed that, i guess. Care to enlighten me?

Well, i prefer the sneaky and stealthy ways to deal damage ;). But thanks for your constructive opinion.

That was a serious statement of him? really? thougt he tried to troll arround. In that case i excuse for my sarcasm.

Edit:
thanks for clarifying that CCP catch-phrase. Didn´t know it was already made over a year ago.

if i would suggest something:



If there are further skills that need this one as prereq. no reimbursement.
if not = reinbursement. if someone needs those skills anyway, this person can spent the SP out of the Pool. No loss except a few Mouse clicks.



Two options, the generous and the average:

Generous:
expect a good or even perfect mapping as base for the reinbursed SP and sell the possible gain as a generous gift.

Average:
Out of the over 100GB statistical Data, CCP collects every day, calculate an average mapping that is in place. If possible even when espacially those kind of Skill ist trained, wich will be reinbursed. Since every one of us isn´t able to train every skill with a perfect mapping, the outcome should be pretty near to the real circumstances.


(this Forum thing is driving me crasy. there is not even one statement that can be done on the first freakin attempt. and sometimes even the draft doesen´t help am i the only one with that problem?.)

I would bet that CCP actually logged the remaps at least. And there is a skill history even we players can look up what we trained when. On the other hand even if the remaps were not logged, I don't think the remaps would make such a big difference.

As for the prereqs on a case by case basis, I already made a point that it should not even be handled by that, because the player should be the one to decide if the skills he has, have the same value under the new rules and that every single player should have the chance to do that. If it is a character that uses bs he will put the skills back in there anyway.

Also partly as additional answear to TwoStep: In the long run, being able to skill another bs instead of your old one does not hurt, because firstly that does not necessarly give you the support skills to fly that thing, e.g weapon skills. And additionally while I do hope CCP thinks these skilltree changes through and does not touch them every two years, we can almost be certain that after some time that new FOTM ship everyone put those points into, will be nerfed and all starts over again, only at that point no reimbursements need to be made. So a player can shift the problem he faces now into the future, while not getting reimbursements for old prereqs, would stuck him with skills he might not ever want forever and there are more than enough specialised chars out there to justify those reimbursements.

Has CCP considered that this skill change for carriers makes attribute remapping extremely cumbersome? the need to train JDO before the actual carrier skill means that there has to be an additional Int/per remap wedged before the Per/will remap needed to train carriers itself. As such it becomes much more difficult to say, convert a freighter alt into a carrier alt, as you would have to first remap into int/per to train up the jump skills.

Or say, a player who has decided to train for carriers from his existing battleship would need to remap twice to avoid losing upwards of 17 days of training time.

While i understand CCP wants to gate player ship progression to an extent, please also realize your current attribute system is poo and most of the skill changes described for tech 2 ships might increase the training time needed to get into those ships because your Training time estimates made no distinction between INT/MEM skills and PER/WILL skills.

What this does mean is that a dedicated training alt will be able to fly tech 2 ships even faster than progressing "mains" as they can afford to stay on a INT mem remap longer to train up the Tech 2 pre reqs.

This can be prevented by making long term goals and planning skills accordingly during certain maps. In the end this helps reward long term planning which isn't a bad thing.


Mains I would think would be in a better position as they have the ability to fill in year long maps with skills for the variety of ships and tasks that main would be expected to fulfill. Alts on the other hand would have shorter plans which may make training out of map occur more often.

Now that's just bull. Even with my 12M SP I have skills that i learned and tried out at some point that i would happily give up if I could reinvest those SP elsewhere. With the AI patch i would gladly give up my Alt's heavy drones skill (actually probably even without) despite it having been useful at some point.

Likewise a capital pilot that was not raised basically offline as a dedicated alt will certainly have flown a battleship to make use of the skill while it was the biggest ship type he could fly. Why should he be allowed to lose a skill that was useful to him at some point?

Funny thing, actually I did. Black ops training kinda necessitated some jump skills. Though really to your question, many who would train for those ships and did the relevant parts on separate maps probably already did them with the thought that they would be useful for the ship as worthwhile supports. They then do the per/will portion. If not then they planned poorly in regard to ship effectiveness (WH carrier pilots being an exception to this). Which still still falls under my statement of rewarding proper planning, or are you suggesting getting into a carrier with subpar skills is something that one should be doing?

If you just decided out of the blue to train a carrier from a BS, and thus may not have worried about maxing certain now necessary skills, how were you planning on avoiding the multiple attribute sets to begin with, old prerequisites or new?

Edit: Additionally this only affects the subset of characters who are currently training for capitals and won't make it in time and happen to not be in or not have in the future their int/mem portion of their training, which really overblows the situation. Future trainees will know the new prerequisites and plan accordingly, current pilots and those who will make it in time will be unaffected and those in Int/mem maps will train skills they likely would anyways (again WH aside). There will be a few adversely affected and they will face the choice of waiting for a carrier till after their map ends or training out of map, but this still leaves a few months to work that out.