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Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#21 - 2013-02-04 21:43:55 UTC
My objections I raised before I still hold on to. I do not oppose Nation specificly but I haven't heard of a justification for their 'Uplifting' that I agree with. I see the Incursions as a needless source of violence, death, and distruction and as such I oppose them.

I will do what I can to support you in this initiative within reason and within my ability to do so. Which granted isn't much, I am not a combat pilot. Most of what I can offer is information and insight into Nation.
DutchGunner
Circle of Abyss
Wicked Angels.
#22 - 2013-02-04 21:57:39 UTC
Hold on to your own beliefs and though you may not be a combat pilot, insights and logic thinking is just as important for this project, so don't cut yourself short.
DutchGunner
Circle of Abyss
Wicked Angels.
#23 - 2013-02-05 20:12:24 UTC
I would like to thank all who have contacted me and offered their support.

There have been good suggestions on where to start, and they will certainly be looked into.

However I feel the first task is to determine the project's scope.

A good initial scope would be to focus on several fields. I feel the following fields would serve the goal best:


  • Sansha Ships

  • Sansha Weapon Systems

  • Sansha Defensive Systems

  • Remaining Sansha Ship Modules

  • Sansha Wormhole Technology

  • Sansha Personnel Technology


Ollie Rundle
#24 - 2013-02-06 12:52:20 UTC
DutchGunner wrote:
However I feel the first task is to determine the project's scope.

A good initial scope would be to focus on several fields. I feel the following fields would serve the goal best:


  • Sansha Ships

  • Sansha Weapon Systems

  • Sansha Defensive Systems

  • Remaining Sansha Ship Modules

  • Sansha Wormhole Technology

  • Sansha Personnel Technology




As SYNE has already been working on many of these topics for some time now, perhaps you and Ms. Vea might like to open a channel or - alternatively - sit down over a pleasant meal and good drink with me at some point in the near future.
DutchGunner
Circle of Abyss
Wicked Angels.
#25 - 2013-02-06 18:29:25 UTC
mr. Rundle,

Thank you for this information. I shall certainly contact you one of these days. However I find that having several studies on the same subject could very well enhance the total results on the subject. I look forward to the results.

I feel that both the Ship research and Weapon Systems can be defined better.

The ship research can be split in:

* Frigate pre-incurions and the incursion frigates
* Cruiser pre-incursions and the incursion variants
* Battleship pre-incursion and the incursion variants
* The Revenant class Supercarrier or Mothership




The weapon systems can be split in:

* Small sized weapons
* Medium sized weapons
* Large sized weapons
* Bombers
DutchGunner
Circle of Abyss
Wicked Angels.
#26 - 2013-02-12 18:26:49 UTC
I have talked with aDirector of The Synenose Accord and I am humbled by their efforts research results so far.

I wish to offer my respect for their work and will use their information to build the database on the specifics of their warships. I hope to be able to compare the different variants and find a explanation for their differences.
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-02-13 17:24:14 UTC
How would stopping only the worm hole incursions solve any problems? The Nation will still be out there, and while they will not be able to directly attack hi-sec systems, they will be given more time to build their military strength and further their miraculous, if not frightening, technology. What would stop them from launching a massive assault from the Stain region and push into civilized space with a force that would dwarf any wormhole incursion?

If we are to insure the safety of the the Empires' citizens, we must work together to irrevocably destroy Sansha's Nation. The sole purpose of the Nation's slaves is to bring all to their "Promised Land;" they are no more than humans twisted into machines controlled by a madman. For the good of humanity, they must be destroyed. Not contained.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#28 - 2013-02-13 18:26:47 UTC
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
How would stopping only the worm hole incursions solve any problems? The Nation will still be out there, and while they will not be able to directly attack hi-sec systems, they will be given more time to build their military strength and further their miraculous, if not frightening, technology. What would stop them from launching a massive assault from the Stain region and push into civilized space with a force that would dwarf any wormhole incursion?

If we are to insure the safety of the the Empires' citizens, we must work together to irrevocably destroy Sansha's Nation. The sole purpose of the Nation's slaves is to bring all to their "Promised Land;" they are no more than humans twisted into machines controlled by a madman. For the good of humanity, they must be destroyed. Not contained.


I'll be marking you down on my list of reasons as to why I can't simply hope that capsuleers won't destroy us if given the chance. Thank you for your direct honesty.
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-02-13 19:00:09 UTC
You are most welcome, Tiberious.

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.
DutchGunner
Circle of Abyss
Wicked Angels.
#30 - 2013-02-13 20:18:20 UTC
Mr. Merovech,

Your views on the matter are clear. But as i stated earlier, I believe we all of the right to make our choices and there is no right or wrong. However enforcing your views on others is a different matter. We can have a very very long discussion about what would be the 'right' way to deal with the incursions. However discussing won't solve anything. You can state your objections against those who would try to avoid any further direct conflict, but you certainly ain't doing anything yourselve to settle the matter.

I believe that understanding their technology and preventing the Incursions is a far better way then this horrible war of attrition with so much unneeded violence and bloodshed. Just because you have different views, doesn't mean you have to completely wipe out the other side.
Ollie Rundle
#31 - 2013-02-13 20:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ollie Rundle
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
How would stopping only the worm hole incursions solve any problems? The Nation will still be out there, and while they will not be able to directly attack hi-sec systems, they will be given more time to build their military strength and further their miraculous, if not frightening, technology. What would stop them from launching a massive assault from the Stain region and push into civilized space with a force that would dwarf any wormhole incursion?

If we are to insure the safety of the the Empires' citizens, we must work together to irrevocably destroy Sansha's Nation. The sole purpose of the Nation's slaves is to bring all to their "Promised Land;" they are no more than humans twisted into machines controlled by a madman. For the good of humanity, they must be destroyed. Not contained.


Stopping the current incursion tactics of Nation forces is but one step that must be tackled in ongoing efforts against Nation. It is a significant step, despite its inability to defeat Nation completely. You might ask why? Simply because by ceasing the incursions we will:

A) Ensure safety from the tyranny of Nation for the populations of those constellations repeatedly abused by the incursions.
B) Nullify the technology behind the constellation-wide effects on interstellar markets and capsuleer efficiency that is a hallmark of current incursion activities.

Secondly, there is nothing miraculous or frightening about Nation technology. It is certainly advanced technology but adding hyperbole to its description is unnecessary.

Thirdly, since the leak of the ISHAEKA reports and the War of Resurgence in YC112 SYNE and allied organisations have repeatedly swept the Stain region for signs of heightened Nation activity. We have found nothing beyond the remnants of the original Nation which have been there since the successful combined military efforts of YC37. This leads to the conclusion that Stain is no longer relevant as a staging area for Sansha's resurgent forces.

Finally, we agree that the key to defeating Nation is finding the ability to work together. I applaud your views on dealing with the Nation threat and the passion with which you present them. Perhaps you might like to contact myself or N'maro Makari in order to discuss how they could be achieved?
Nicolas Merovech
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-02-13 22:25:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolas Merovech
Ollie Rundle wrote:
Nicolas Merovech wrote:
How would stopping only the worm hole incursions solve any problems? The Nation will still be out there, and while they will not be able to directly attack hi-sec systems, they will be given more time to build their military strength and further their miraculous, if not frightening, technology. What would stop them from launching a massive assault from the Stain region and push into civilized space with a force that would dwarf any wormhole incursion?

If we are to insure the safety of the the Empires' citizens, we must work together to irrevocably destroy Sansha's Nation. The sole purpose of the Nation's slaves is to bring all to their "Promised Land;" they are no more than humans twisted into machines controlled by a madman. For the good of humanity, they must be destroyed. Not contained.


Stopping the current incursion tactics of Nation forces is but one step that must be tackled in ongoing efforts against Nation. It is a significant step, despite its inability to defeat Nation completely. You might ask why? Simply because by ceasing the incursions we will:

A) Ensure safety from the tyranny of Nation for the populations of those constellations repeatedly abused by the incursions.
B) Nullify the technology behind the constellation-wide effects on interstellar markets and capsuleer efficiency that is a hallmark of current incursion activities.

Secondly, there is nothing miraculous or frightening about Nation technology. It is certainly advanced technology but adding hyperbole to its description is unnecessary.

Thirdly, since the leak of the ISHAEKA reports and the War of Resurgence in YC112 SYNE and allied organisations have repeatedly swept the Stain region for signs of heightened Nation activity. We have found nothing beyond the remnants of the original Nation which have been there since the successful combined military efforts of YC37. This leads to the conclusion that Stain is no longer relevant as a staging area for Sansha's resurgent forces.

Finally, we agree that the key to defeating Nation is finding the ability to work together. I applaud your views on dealing with the Nation threat and the passion with which you present them. Perhaps you might like to contact myself or N'maro Makari in order to discuss how they could be achieved?


Understand that I do not wish to argue with you, merely clarify.

I misspoke before. Stopping incursions is indeed a critical step to stopping Nation. The way I've interpreted the discussion is that our efforts will stop at containing Sansha's nation within their own territory. This is obviously not the case. However, I would like to point out that my "hyperbole" describing Nation tech was, to me, an adequate description. They are able to travel anywhere in space at any time without the use of gate. That, to me, is miraculous but at the same time terrifying. And of course, I must ask the question what will the Empires and Capsuleers do with this technology once we posses it? It will no doubt change everything within New Eden; change is terrifying, even to those who nurture and embrace it.

Also, thank you for the invitation. What is the easiest way to contact you?

Dr. Nicolas A. Merovech, Ph. D, M.D.
Ollie Rundle
#33 - 2013-02-13 23:14:08 UTC
The usual channels. EVE mail is fine, as is monitoring our activity and requesting a private channel at any point we are both active. SYNEPublic is our public channel although appropriate levels of discretion are advised if using it. Both the Accord (corporation) and the Imperative (alliance) are currently open to applications for membership if that's of interest to you.
DutchGunner
Circle of Abyss
Wicked Angels.
#34 - 2013-03-28 19:53:56 UTC
I am proud to announce that several goals have been achieved.

Firstly the initial database on the currently known Sansha Warships is complete. The next step is getting confirmations on the collected data. However as the data is mostly provided by The Syneose Accord, this is more of a formality. Allthough i'm sure they would be happy to hear that their data is confirmed as accurate. I am most cratefull for their published works.

I have succeeded in gathering the schematics for the Sansha following Sansha Warships:


  • The Succubus class frigate
  • The Phantasm class cruiser
  • The Nightmare class battleship


These schematics are currently being analyzed by a team of scientists. As additional Sansha Technology is gathered, they will also analyze those technologies. They have acces to all available lab equipment and are under constant guard of a marine detachment.

Secondly the project has been named. The project is now named Tranquility and I will make further publications under that name.

Thirdly, I have created a FTL communication channel for Project Tranquility. The channel is named Project Tranquility and it is open to all who are interested to participate or wish to ask me questions. However, as the channel is not secured, I do advise to be cautious with the information you share. I will try to be as open as possible, but security dictates that I can't and won't reveal everything that is happening or being planned.

On a final note on the current update, the next step will be to analyze all the Sansha Warships, and their capabilities. I will include the pre-incursion Warships and the overall skill mastery from capsuleers when comparing the Warships.

Regards,

DutchGunner
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