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Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-02-13 12:09:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Adela Talvanen
Interesting.

That's three yes's, and three no's.

Which is the around the same 50:50 percentages I have received from posters on the other forums I frequent where I asked this question.

The other eight replies I have classed as undecided.

To answer the questions, rocket speed, the average cruising/coasting speed will be around the 160,000 kph mark. As for risk, the danger level on some parts of the mission on a scale of 1 to 10 would be 12.

Regarding silens vesica's comment, on "Slackers and losers", as the 13 M and 13 F -Mission Assistants-for the half of the crew selected from the general population, to be on the crew they will have to have got through the selection program I have devised, providing of course they meet the prerequisites.

And any "Slackers and losers" won't be able to as they don't want it enough, nor can the other participants afford to coast, as the crucial group stages in stage two and three will get progressively tougher as the pre group stages mission applicant then in the group stages mission candidate then mission trainee pool is reduced in numbers till the lucky 13 M and 13 F are picked.

Why did I post the question you may be asking? I was just sniffing the air, and testing the water of public opinion to see if members of the general population would want to go on such a venture. And I am pleased to concur that half of you that replied who weren't undecided would.

Thank you all for all your replies.
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-02-13 12:53:47 UTC
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Rana Ash
Gradient
Electus Matari
#23 - 2013-02-13 13:11:23 UTC
Well after the update on speed, i'll tag along to Centauri B
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#24 - 2013-02-13 15:30:26 UTC
Rana Ash wrote:
Well after the update on speed, i'll tag along to Centauri B



You would still never see it, and the stress on the ship would never handle it.

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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#25 - 2013-02-13 17:41:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Adela Talvanen wrote:
the average cruising/coasting speed will be around the 160,000 kph mark

Rana Ash wrote:
Well after the update on speed, i'll tag along to Centauri B

160000kph is (very roughly rounded) ~0.015% of the speed of light. Or, if you prefer, about 1/6745 of the speed of light.
The pyramids have been around for less time than what you'd need to get to that destination with that speed. To put it another way, you'd probably not even go much past 500 AU before you die of old age, and Alpha Centauri is about a quarter million AUs away.
At that speed, you'd need roughly a month just for the shortest possible distance between Earth and Mars (not the actual path a ship would take to go from Earth to Mars).
Rana Ash
Gradient
Electus Matari
#26 - 2013-02-13 18:22:35 UTC
Sure Akita and Micheal rain on my parade, anything else you want to kill while you're at it?.
So what if i die, i'll still be famous.

Adela did not specify when the trip is sheduled, technological limitations can have been solved
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-02-13 18:53:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Adela Talvanen
I wasn't going to add any more, but as Rana Ash want's to die a long way from home, I think I should also rain on her/his parade.

1, The ship wouldn't be going to Centauri B, it won't even reach the Oort cloud.

2, The mission would be a round trip.

3, If Rana Ash is just after fame, and being famous, she/he might or might not make it on to the crew. She'll/He'll have like all of the participants a 50:50 chance to get through the selection program.

4, IF she/he does manage to get on to the crew, she'll/he'll be famous, and if she's/he's chosen to be in the crew at the last destination, she'll/he'll have a 25% chance of be along side Yuri Alekseyevich Gagarin and Neil Armstrong for immortal fame.

5, And MOST importantly **IF** the mission and all its associated elements are implemented by the recipients, I have yard sticked, and ball parked the departure date from Earth orbit to be 18th May 2039, or the 70th anniversary of America's Apollo 17, and final moon launch, if that is missed, then a departure date will be 2nd March 2042, or the 70th anniversary or the American Pioneer 10 space probe is a back up date.

6, Failing the second departure date a emergency and third significant departure date will be 12th April 2051 to mark the 70th anniversary of the first launch of Americas Space Shuttle. Won't matter to me, I'll be long gone from this life by 2051.

IF it isn't then Eve Online is as close as Rana Ash will get to space.

Hope that has cleared up Rana Ash's Star Trek plans.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#28 - 2013-02-13 19:30:59 UTC
Count me out. I would more than likely **** in my adult size depends and have a stroke on the way up as I'll be in the retirement years by then.

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Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-02-13 19:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Adela Talvanen
Fair enough.

The selection program IF the departure dates are going to be the ball parked stated will begin in the years 2035, or 2038 or 2047.

IF it is implemented by the recipients before then it'll all kick off sooner.

FWIW, the cut off age for stage one, phase one participation, and the start of the selection program is 68 years and 1 week...on appeal, and 68 years old normally, and at the other end it's 18 years and over normally, and 17 years and 52 weeks parent or guardian consent in writing. Blink


Right, its getting on in the evening now, and time to make some supper for Dad and me. Bye.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#30 - 2013-02-13 20:35:06 UTC
Adela Talvanen wrote:
18th May 2039

And that's the earliest possible ? Then I'm going to be definitely too old for that type of thing, if I'm even still alive at nearly 62 years old by then.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#31 - 2013-02-13 20:44:21 UTC
i'd be 52 by a month...

no fun going into space when you can almost order from the senior citizens section of the menu.
Marie Hartinez
Aries Munitions and Defense
#32 - 2013-02-13 21:09:37 UTC
Another submariner reporting in.....

For the sake of augment.... lets say the selection, training, and departure times were moved way up.....

I would go in a heartbeat. Just give me enough time to say bye to the wife and kid. Hell, I don't even need to pack. Wife understands that if something like this were to happen, and I was selected to go, she would fully support it. The kid would obviously miss me, but as long as we could still communicate in some form, she'd get over it. Maybe. If the trip was round trip, then there is the possibility of seeing my family again.

As to length of mission, doesn't really matter to me if it's several weeks or several years. I've done several underwater endurance runs while on a sub with the longest being 70 days. That is with no part of the boat, other then a mast or antenna, breaking the surface. After only a few days of being at sea, or in this case in space, the crew settles into a routine very quickly. The hard part to over come is the boredom.

Still, if the easiest is 2039, and assuming medical technology doesn't give us cybernetic bodies or something by then, I'd still should be able to squeak by on the age thing.

Surrender is still your slightly less painful option.

Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#33 - 2013-02-13 21:13:40 UTC
Prospective Submariner here, working on the forms and gonna be in the URNU for a bit to make up my mind.

I would be perfectly prepared to leave permanently. I know I would never see family and friends again, but I know in some small way I would take their thoughts to a new world.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#34 - 2013-02-13 21:38:59 UTC
i'd go if i could still be 25.
Rana Ash
Gradient
Electus Matari
#35 - 2013-02-14 12:54:11 UTC
It will go to Centauri B if i say so, it's just a matter of "reinforcing" my stand point. Evil
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-02-14 17:29:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Adela Talvanen
Rana Ash wrote:
It will go to Centauri B if i say so, it's just a matter of "reinforcing" my stand point. Evil


With that kind of attitude I doubt you'd pass the stage 1 phase 2 formal hour interview. Roll

There seems to be some confusion regarding the departure date ect, and how old you'll all be before you try your luck at the start of the selection program.

To finished this thread off, and to close it down I just want to say, I hope to have broken the back of this work-in-progress by Christmas, and hopefully will have it 90% of the writing done by next Autumn, prior to proof reading all of it for adjustments, before it is ready to be sent to the various recipients. I'm aiming for the finished product to be at around 450 to 480 pages in total. And I have to learn the fundamentals of all kinds of things related to space and engineering and flight mechanics ect as I go along.

I'm a full time Carer for Dad, like I was for Mum before I lost Mum on 14 Nov 2011.

As such I don't have that much free time to do the required research and work, as I have a routine that takes a fair amount of time. And when I am doing this work in progress after n hours of work on this different type of work my brain usually signals its had enough and starts to switch off, and I can't get back in the grove of doing this space work for a couple of days or so.

The 2039 date is 16 years from now, and the recipients **IF** it's implemented will have to follow my guidance to organise the program, set up the controlling organisation, and the voting rights, plus its finances,and then modify the existing technology launch vehicles, both for compatibility, and then mass production for the movement of construction crews and the mass delivery of material for the first construction site station I have devised, i.e the first of a set of 24 before they do the same for the constitution of the ship itself as America was on the right track in basic space station design, before their pork barrel politics produced a lot of umming and ahhhing.

Plus on top of all that the financial aspect I will have to deal with, both for the project, and globally, to fix the financial mess we are currently in, but as I told Mum before I lost her, it's all planned out in my head.

But America acting on its own did get to the Moon from a standing start in under 10 years, but this time it'll be group effort.

So, the 2039 date as I said was a ball park figure, and providing my time table is kept, this work will be out of my hands and into the hands of the recipients by late 2016, if not earlier, as I hit rough patches then after clearing them get on a roll where I can get a lot done.

So, 2026 could be a good date for things to really get moving.

Of course, if nowt/nothing/nada/zip happens this work will all have been for nothing. C'est la vie.

Now, that that is out of the way, the selection program will be open to you all aged 18 to 68.

The fitness test requirements of stage 1 phase 4 of the initial stage before the group stages will be structured for different requirements for each of the 5 age groups, namely 18 to 28, 28 to 38, 38 to 48, 48 to 58, and 58 to 68.

Without going into details and why, as there isn't enough space here for that, the fitness tests will be divided into body strength, weight lift, weight movement, and then cardiac test via the beep test, with for the push ups, sit ups, and beep test will be requirements dependent on which of the 5 age groups you fall into. i..e in 3 and then 6 minutes depending on your age group you will be required to do n number of correctly performed push ups, and then sit ups, the same for the beep test levels. All the fitness tests will have to be passed, with leniency on smaller framed women and men for the weight lift and movement, either the first time, or a second chance or you go home.

A final test after all that will have to be passed. It will consist of walking in a group with selector pace setters over a 5 mile course of rough but flat ground, with a 30 pound back pack in under 4 hours and 30 minutes, with a realistic target of 4 hours and 15 minutes, but 4 hours and 30 minutes is the cut off time.

The 4 hours and 30 minutes or under is not debatable, and must be met in order to progress in the selection program.

Those of you who are ex-military will know what a timed march entails.

Right, I hope I have joined enough dots, to satisfy your queries, as I will not be answering any more questions.

As I said before. Thank you all for all your replies.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#37 - 2013-02-14 17:58:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Everything in that paragraph scares the hell out of me. I mean if I'm reading that right you want to start people on your workout regime plus to help build and finance a company that is apparently not even in existence yet. I've gone from thinking like this to thinking like this.

I'll stick to signing on with SpaceX thank you. They have ten years under their belt with several advanced rockets designed and built. They are the first and only private company to go to orbit and return safely. They also became the first company to deliver a payload to the ISS. CEO Elon Musk also has plans to colonize Mars on a grand scale using geodesic domes to cover large swaths of martian land that can be used to cultivation, and that will more than likely happen before your scheduled launch dates.

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Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-02-14 18:04:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Adela Talvanen
Micheal Dietrich wrote:
Everything in that paragraph scares the hell out of me. I mean if I'm reading that right you want to start people on your workout regime plus to help build and finance a company that is apparently not even in existence yet. I've gone from thinking like this to thinking like this.

I'll stick to signing on with SpaceX thank you. They have ten years under their belt with several advanced rockets designed and built. They are the first and only private company to go to orbit and return safely. They also became the first company to deliver a payload to the ISS. CEO Elon Musk also has plans to colonize Mars on a grand scale using geodesic domes to cover large swaths of martian land that can be used to cultivation, and that will more than likely happen before your scheduled launch dates.


Fair enough, if it happens it happens, no-one can say I didn't try. Big smile

But Space X will also be involved and in the big tent with all the rest, and on the board of the controlling organisation with voting rights. Participants for the crew, NOT the construction of the station and ship will have 4 weeks to get in shape if they get invited to the phase 4 fitness tests.

You'd have to read the entire thing to understand, and it'll be to big to be posted on here.

And its not a 'company' but an organisation. Blink

As I said on my original post I was just sniffing the air, and testing the water of public opinion to see if members of the general population would want to go on such a venture.

Right, it's supper time. Bye.
Adela Talvanen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-02-14 18:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Adela Talvanen
Deleted.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#40 - 2013-02-14 18:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Micheal Dietrich
Well you aren't Mars One though your cryptic plan shares similar traits, and I know that SpaceX is working with them. They are a non-profit organization. They have also detailed what their long term goals. You won't even give a why or a what. Several people in this thread said yes to a caretakers request to shoot them into space and they don't even know what they will be doing. Scary. Scary scary scary.

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