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Sad beef news across the pond.

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Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#61 - 2013-02-12 19:49:19 UTC
Its the same reason we don't eat cats and dogs - they were/are working animals and have been in the UK for, what 2000+ years?

A few hundred years ago if you kill and eat your dog you cant hunt as effectively, killing the cat means you have nothing to hunt the mice who eat the grain. Kill a horse you lose you transport to market, the ability to plough the fields etc. It's old thinking these days but after 2000+ years of thinking that way its fairly engrained in the way we live our lives and these days we have enough variety don't need eat horse so why bother starting?

Why do the continent do it? Not a clue, I would suspect its down to the amount of free space to graze more animals, the UK has always been crowded and older farming techniques would have required far more land devoted to staples like wheat.

Yes we are a nation of animal lovers but so what, if I offered you one of every animal on the planet would you eat every single one? Would you even cross the line and eat a human, after all we are just another animal. If the answer is no to either of those, how would feel if it suddenly turned out it was in your burgers?

Anyway its more about the fact that someone has cut corners and misled us into eating horse, like finding out your chocolate cake is 90% mud.

Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
Kirjava wrote:
the Continent.


*quivers*

i love when brits refer "the Continent." so delightfully foreign to my perspective.


UK and Europe are about as similar as chalk and cheese. Not to mention the fact we have fought wars with pretty much every single one of them, latest being the EU Budget Big smile
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#62 - 2013-02-12 20:24:11 UTC
Rainus Max wrote:

UK and Europe are about as similar as chalk and cheese. Not to mention the fact we have fought wars with pretty much every single one of them, latest being the EU Budget Big smile

Who won?

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#63 - 2013-02-12 20:39:11 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Rainus Max wrote:

UK and Europe are about as similar as chalk and cheese. Not to mention the fact we have fought wars with pretty much every single one of them, latest being the EU Budget Big smile

Who won?


Depends who you talk to.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#64 - 2013-02-12 21:01:51 UTC
As a man who is not overly fond of horses, due to several incidents as a boy, i have only this to say:
Quote:
Revenge is a dish best served hot, on a bun.

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#65 - 2013-02-12 21:05:13 UTC
Rainus Max wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
Rainus Max wrote:

UK and Europe are about as similar as chalk and cheese. Not to mention the fact we have fought wars with pretty much every single one of them, latest being the EU Budget Big smile

Who won?


Depends who you talk to.

Ain't that always the case, eh?

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc

Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-02-13 15:23:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Astenion
My point is simply this: how can you belong to a culture with one of the worst diets in the entire world and simultaneously be disgusted by the thought of eating horse? The question is rhetorical, as you've already answered it by stating it's purely aesthetic. Fine. That's all I wanted to hear. It has nothing to do with nutritional value or even taste, but instead it's purely based on offending your sensibilities. It's just a big contradiction to me. It just adds to the already puzzling nature of British cuisine and eating habits. You have no problem eating kidneys smothered in burned gravy or congealed blood and fat, but horse is too much. It's amusing.

Coming from a culture with one of the worst eating habits in the world (the US) and emigrating to a culture with arguably the best eating habits in the world (Italy, who, by the way, eat horse sometimes and even donkey), I find this whole outrage hilarious, as even in the US I doubt one would find it such a travesty. Eating steak with kidneys and blood pudding or eating haggis would most definitely turn people in the US off, but the difference is their terrible eating habits aren't indicative of poor cuisine, as is often the case in Britain. Granted, if something claims to be beef, it should be beef, and I myself wouldn't like to find out I've been eating horse instead of beef. However, I'm coming from a position of, "If I'm paying for beef, I want it to be beef" and not "OMG IT'S HORSIES!!!! OH THE POOR DEARS!!!" I would feel the same if it were pork instead of horse.

Bottom line: you can't eat what you eat in Britain and then be morally outraged by the thought of eating horse and still expect to be taken seriously. Horse is considered a delicacy. You're absolutely entitled to your opinions and I'm not trying to change your mind, only trying to show you how it looks from the other point of view. You can't come from a position of moral/gastronomic superiority just because you found out there was horse in your fast food and terrible microwave "beef lasagne". I mean, what did you think was in that food in the first place? Do you buy fast food or microwave dishes thinking it's high quality cuisine? It's fast food and microwave lasagne! It wouldn't taste very good even if it weren't partially made out of horse...hell, the horse was probably the only decent ingredient in the entire dish. It's like saying, "I'll eat poo off of the floor as long as it's not horse." If you're not a vegetarian or vegan outraged because you found out there was real meat in there instead of soy or some other awful synthetic ingredient, your point is moot, imo.

If you're so against the use of horses, then stop using glue, paint brushes, and soap.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#67 - 2013-02-13 20:00:28 UTC
i've eaten many of my own horses that have fallen in combat while roaming around the province of skyrim. i use a realism mod on the game lol...and i'll be damned if i'm going to let 1000 gold coins go to waste. horse is a fine meal.
Astenion
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-02-13 20:56:33 UTC
I should really apologize for coming across like a total ****. I really suck at politeness on the internet; it's not intentional and not confrontational...I just enjoy debating. I'm like Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory when it comes to personal relationships.
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#69 - 2013-02-13 21:11:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirjava
Astenion wrote:
I should really apologize for coming across like a total ****. I really suck at politeness on the internet; it's not intentional and not confrontational...I just enjoy debating. I'm like Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory when it comes to personal relationships.


Fair enough, you pushed my buttons better than most which should be taken as a compliment.
So my own apologies to you in this case, I think I was a spot militant in my tone Oops

In Britain we were the underdog for over a millennia, Europe's whipping boy in some cases (the people, not the Nobility) and very small amount of land relative to population. I think food was categorised into things that were a productive resource, and for consumption. As was said earlier, dogs protected and herded, horse's pulled the plough and cats protected the grain. We eat the blood pudding, haggis and the rest because what you lose from using the others a resource, you make up for making the rest go further. That's the culture, the splitting of animals into the helper and the food along single creature lines as opposed to which bits of an animal we have. Family tradition I remember being told of from a few generations back was killing a pig in winter and eating the whole thing, no waste over a month. Boil the bones for soup, the skin for leather, ect.

Morbidly curious, but the liver is the best and most nutritiousness part of the animal, what's the problem with it in you're culture?

We aren't outraged about people on the Continent (swoon away my dear) eating Horse, we're outraged that WE are eating horse. I don't believe there's any laws against horse meat in the UK, we just turn our heads in disgust and get on with our day.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#70 - 2013-02-15 17:17:42 UTC
This story just keeps spreading. And getting worse. Pretty incredible:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Britain-finds-horsemeat-in-school-meals-hospitals-4281006.php

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#71 - 2013-02-15 18:15:12 UTC
Shalia Ripper wrote:
Ok, horses are fun to ride and all, but I don't get why some people think meat from one animal is OK and another is not.

Hell, if I was starving, I would even eat chicken. And I hate chicken.


How can you hate chicken?

All it tastes of is the sauce its served in

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#72 - 2013-02-15 18:47:37 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Shalia Ripper wrote:
Ok, horses are fun to ride and all, but I don't get why some people think meat from one animal is OK and another is not.

Hell, if I was starving, I would even eat chicken. And I hate chicken.


How can you hate chicken?

All it tastes of is the sauce its served in


Then stop baking them for an hour at 350 F. Slow Roast 3 1/2 hours at 280 F and your opinion will change.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#73 - 2013-02-15 19:53:27 UTC
Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#74 - 2013-02-15 22:50:08 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:


Which toy did you get?

Also surprised nones made a comic of this yet...

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#75 - 2013-02-21 16:22:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
IMHO the entire world's food distribution system needs a shakeup and overhaul from absolute top to bottom.

Someone is making a fortune and lying to the public, and it's slowly shaping up to the entire world being duped apparently.

http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Mislabeled-fish-a-widespread-problem-4295946.php#photo-4226625

Just wow.


EDIT: just got to the part about "the Ex-Lax fish".

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Kirjava
Lothian Enterprises
#76 - 2013-02-22 03:39:11 UTC
Thing is, Europes integrated market was desighned when people in Africa would get their kids to finish their food as the people in Europe would love it if they could. Just after WW2, if I remember right in the Ukraine they had to have posters reminding parents it was wrong to eat their dead children (it was that bad). This is irrational now as Europe has resumed first world / great power / superpower status depending on your perspective, but the mechanisms exist to make sure Europe never goes hungry again, screw the consequences.

The mechanisms now end up subsidised farmers to simultaneously slightly overproduce (just in case) and keep land fallow (in case its needed for replacing a loss of land due to the Cold War going hot somewhere in the EFTA. Interestingly the proposals to go ahead with developing TAFTA, as a merger of NAFTA and the EFTA would lead to an integrated Transatlantic food market, which could get sticky given the EU perspective on GM foods.

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