Ships & Modules

Hi All,

I remember that CCP discussed some time ago to make Tracking Disruptors also work on missiles. However, since this has the potential to completely break missiles they decided to wait a bit and rework their ideas. Current status is that Defender Missiles are still broken and I haven't heard anything about Anti-Missile defenses recently. Did I miss something or is this topic already burried?

Regards.
Med

I had always recommended that the sensor damp with sig res script making your signature size smaller to the ship you target.

I have little faith that Caldari Corporate Profits will be doing anything to make missiles any weaker than they have already.

Smartbombs fall very short in being a comparable disruption mechanism in both effectiveness and versatility when compared with TD's.

Any missile larger than rockets suffer from downright suckage, the bigger they get, the worse, there's the lol-cruise and uber-lol-citidel-cruise.

The real reason nobody use defenders is that missiles suck so much it's not worth a utility high to defend against. Think about that. Buff missiles first, then implement a counter and ppl will use it.

Ask yourself this: If defenders were moved from utility high to mid just like td, will ppl use them? Oh wait, mid is often considered more valuable than utility high.

That one slot defender negates much more dps than 1 slot of missile, as its rof is far higher. It all works on paper, but not in practice, because missiles, unlike guns, aren't worth defending against in practice.

You mentioned scaling and engagement size's effect on defenders. So how about missiles and scaling? In blob fights, missiles are even less worth defending against, that's your real reason for scaling issues of defenders...

The fact remains that so long as other weapon systems have their advantages and drawbacks, aka proper balance, we won't see the proliferation of missiles needed to have a highslot "me only" counter be worthwhile.

Some point of why this would still be an issue unless missiles became OP:

- If your opponents aren't using missiles, and when properly balanced they won't all be, your fitting choice be completely rendered useless. Something which will be much less likely with a neut.

- Can be bypassed in group combat by targetting allies who don't have the module, compare this to a TD, the turret counter module, which reduces combat effectiveness in a way which benefits all allies (which leads into the scaling issue. I can reduce combat effect or lock ships out of combat with mids full of ewar, but can only mount a small personal defense with defenders hence they don't scale, this has nothing to do with blobs but rather smaller scale combat were ewar is a far greater force multiplier)

- Unlike most ewar mods requires a launcher which requires a launcher hardpont, which means not every ship can fit it

- Requires a utility high which means not every ship that can fit it to begin with can do so without potentially reducing their outgoing dps. This and the preceding combine to make an especially bad penalty for missile users themselves.

Your first statement has addressed 1 point in an incomplete fashion. The rest you haven't even begun to address. I have already informed you that I believe your second statement to be partially false considering the other factors involved. You haven't addressed any of that.

To be blunt, missile limitations are only a part of the issue with defenders, the bigger issues are the problems with defenders themselves.

Tried rereading it, still think your interpretation of that mods effects is wrong. Sensor damps have mo effect on the missiles explosion radius or your own sig radius.

Sensor damps with res scripts lower scan res which makes locking take longer. Once locked they cause no change in the way modules and weapons perform. His sig is the same for the missiles I fired. It never went down. My explosion radius never went up. It just took me longer to lock before beginning to fire. So what am I missing here?

Edit: Really, I have to ask, is sensor damping not a well understood mechanic? Do people understand that there is no relationship between scan res (which isn't sig rad) and missile damage potential?