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Bot Mining... Macro Minning... Which is legal, if any?
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#21 - 2013-02-12 13:13:24 UTC
all bollox talk, marco or bot or use third part software or anything that's not allowed and you will get warned for first offence and banned after that.

if you're not happy with the players opinions, then off you go, break the game rules and enjoy the punishment.
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#22 - 2013-02-12 13:33:25 UTC
is this a serious thread? Are we starting phylosofic speculation about what is botting and what not? AI autonomously subscribing EVE accounts, fuzzy logic, string theory....?? All this to justify or creating grey areas for ******** botting tools? We all perfecly know what is a bot, what is illegal and how they're disruptive for the any game.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#23 - 2013-02-12 13:53:34 UTC
Sura Sadiva wrote:
is this a serious thread? Are we starting phylosofic speculation about what is botting and what not? AI autonomously subscribing EVE accounts, fuzzy logic, string theory....?? All this to justify or creating grey areas for ******** botting tools? We all perfecly know what is a bot, what is illegal and how they're disruptive for the any game.


well said, i've no idea why i even answered, the more i look the more i see troll.
Hammer Borne
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-02-12 14:13:10 UTC
If you have to ask the question, then don't do it. Instead, I recommend playing the game normally. Dig the remaining thread of your moral fiber out of your hollow shell of a body and do what is right.

Also, think about the orphans.
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-02-12 15:54:40 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Violet Giraffe wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
you blind or just stupid ?

I ought to ask the same of you. The quoted EULA excerpt would have been clear if it wasn't for
Quote:
at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play
qualification.
if you are using a stored keystroke it is going to be faster then normal game play, why use them in the first place if they don't give you an advantage.


Even at the normal or slow then normal rate you would be able to make isk while afk or semi afk, which i why this by definition is a banable offense. I think the legal loop hole would be that the EULA says it's only illegal at an accelerated rate, and lets say someone actually playing the game is making 10M isk/h, and you can make 5M isk/h with recorded keystrokes then you would not break the EULA.

Personally i think it would be foolish to actually test this theory in-game, i think you can be pretty sure you will get a ban if you get caught.
Kate stark
#26 - 2013-02-12 16:42:10 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Desimus Maximus wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
botting and macros are two totally different things, don't confuse them.


Did I give the impression I thought they were the same? Seems to me I clearly stated 2 different things.. Bot Mining and Macro Mining.


you did.
Desimus Maximus wrote:
IMO both would be a 100% cheat.



By both, it means, each of the separate items, Bot Mining and Macro Mining. You're either a great troll or a complete idiot.


depending on who you ask, i'm both.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Ginger Barbarella
#27 - 2013-02-12 16:43:19 UTC
Desimus Maximus wrote:
I leave it to a CCP Dev to answer once and for all.


Good luck with that. Lol

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Ginger Barbarella
#28 - 2013-02-12 16:46:31 UTC
Mai Khumm wrote:
What is legal and what isn't depends on who you ask, and what alliance that person is in...


This. QFT

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Violet Giraffe
Space Giraffes
#29 - 2013-02-12 20:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Violet Giraffe
Dante Uisen wrote:
I think the legal loop hole would be that the EULA says it's only illegal at an accelerated rate

That is what I wanted to clarify. If any macro is bannable regardless of speed, why does EULA say what it says? The message is clear - macros that act at the same or lower speed than regular gameplay are valid.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#30 - 2013-02-13 12:55:53 UTC
Violet Giraffe wrote:
Dante Uisen wrote:
I think the legal loop hole would be that the EULA says it's only illegal at an accelerated rate

That is what I wanted to clarify. If any macro is bannable regardless of speed, why does EULA say what it says? The message is clear - macros that act at the same or lower speed than regular gameplay are valid.



dude don't try dancing around EULA, you do not own your account, you are leasing it, you do anything that CCP deems as out of order and they will remove your shiz fater than you can type BOT.
Warped Spider
Pod Mods INC
#31 - 2013-02-13 12:59:10 UTC
The player must be manually sending the commands.
If a program is automating those commands for you, then it would be considered a breach of our EULA.

that was said by a GM.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-02-13 13:47:08 UTC
Lovely Dumplings wrote:
Here's your CCP official answer at http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp Section 6-A-3

You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.


This would indicate that botting/macroing is allowable as long as it doesn't >accelerate< acquisition of the items mentioned above.

However, and I think this is in the TOS or further in the EULA, there are additional stipulations that also govern how such bots/macro may work such as they may not have decision making logic meaning you can macro a series of actions as long as that macro is not capable to making decisions. Is my mining laser on? Yes, then wait. No, then turn it on. Would be an example of a decision and therefore prohibited.

Frankly I can't be arsed to find it. Maybe it doesn't exist anymore as I never see anyone quote it.

Don't ban me, bro!
Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-02-13 14:07:48 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Violet Giraffe wrote:
Dante Uisen wrote:
I think the legal loop hole would be that the EULA says it's only illegal at an accelerated rate

That is what I wanted to clarify. If any macro is bannable regardless of speed, why does EULA say what it says? The message is clear - macros that act at the same or lower speed than regular gameplay are valid.



dude don't try dancing around EULA, you do not own your account, you are leasing it, you do anything that CCP deems as out of order and they will remove your **** fater than you can type BOT.


Then that section of the EULA needs to be changed. Are you ******* dense?

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2013-02-13 14:11:17 UTC
Have you been asking on GD? No wonder people didn't take you seriously.

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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#35 - 2013-02-13 14:37:54 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Violet Giraffe wrote:
Dante Uisen wrote:
I think the legal loop hole would be that the EULA says it's only illegal at an accelerated rate

That is what I wanted to clarify. If any macro is bannable regardless of speed, why does EULA say what it says? The message is clear - macros that act at the same or lower speed than regular gameplay are valid.



dude don't try dancing around EULA, you do not own your account, you are leasing it, you do anything that CCP deems as out of order and they will remove your **** fater than you can type BOT.


Then that section of the EULA needs to be changed. Are you ******* dense?



answering your question, no, i am not dense.

if you want a EULA for Dummies written, petition it.
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#36 - 2013-02-13 15:25:09 UTC
You want a DEV or GM to give you the answer, file a petition. Just don't hold your breath while you wait for an answer.... it may take a bit of time.

They are important people with important jobs and have little time to point out the rules that are specified in the EULA.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#37 - 2013-02-13 16:22:58 UTC
So, it's going to be one of those days, is it?

When every small minded Kelduum Revaan supporter knocks out a thread trying to stealth justify his actions. Not the first time, but annoying nonetheless.

Mr Epeen Cool
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#38 - 2013-02-13 16:39:30 UTC
Both bot-mining and macro-mining are completely legal as far as the EULA is concerned. The trick is identifying the bot or macro and using the correct amount of firepower to mine them out of the asteroid or ice belt before CONCORD kills you (since killing the bot- or macro- is an illegal act in their eyes).

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Denarus Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-02-13 17:05:41 UTC
Don't Bot or Macro and you won't run the risk of getting banned and having all your space goodies taken away. Ifs and buts won't work if a dev thinks you're breaking the EULA you will be banned.

If you want to play Russian roulette by trying to push the rules or blatantly breaking them then don't get upset when you run out of luck.

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