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Thats an official source of information, you say ?

Its a early build. But CCP confirmed its legit.

A notable absence is any change to void ammo, while hail seems destined for a nice buff.

This data is indeed very preliminary and most likely will change before release, but I'm personally quite interested in this discussion, so please keep it coming.

Hmm, now to track down Spitfires non CCP account(s) and figure out what evil market plot he's scheming ;)

It's a ploy...he's sitting at his comfy CCP desk drumming his fingers together muttering "Excellent..."

Stick around, we'll impart all the business acumen you need right here on this board.

Meanwhile, should you have a spare 500m I can let you in on the ground floor of a very lucrative business proposition....

Effects on manufactured end products I suspect will be short term, very short term. The most popular objects tend to have the lowest profits as manufacturers will increasingly compete to ever thinning margins. As such, changes in profitability of modules and ships are likely to be short termed. Doesn't stop someone making (or trying to make) a quick buck on temporary supply shortage/speculation/artificial shortage as the bulge in Oneiros sales yesterday shows.

For longer term effects it's more useful to look at raw material usage. T1 ships, at least those that are in any way popular, will always track the mineral basket very keenly for example.

So if people are flying and exploding Gallente ships more tomorrow than today it's not really going to have much of an underlying effect. However, if they're flying and exploding tier 3 battlecruisers rather than battleships, then that may well have an effect felt in a mineral surplus. Similarly, if they're exploding (presumably more mineral heavy) tier 3 BCs rather than tier 2 drakes and canes then that might cause a sustained increase in mineral usage.

The key question really is resource usage - if folks are flying tier3 BCs tomorrow what ships would they have been flying yesterday? HACs? Battleships?

Mentioned it in the other thread but definitely expect significant mineral usage in early days/weeks as folks churn out the new BCs - cast mind back to Noctis and ask yourself whether you expect more or less tier 3 BCs to be immediately produced than the Noctis? I know my answer. If materials for new BCs are skewed toward any given mineral (eg Noctis was quite nocxium heavy) then potentially see a big rise in specific mats - if they turned out to be Zyd heavy I could see a doubling of that in fairly short order (eventually settling down).

Other general thoughts:
Increased versatility of T2 ammo might put a dampner of faction ammo consumption; navy faction is often the default choice in many instances, undoubtedly it still will be in some, but not necessarily as many. Knock on effects to LP prices?
Drams will obviously suffer a bit, how much is another matter altogether and one I'm really not qualified to comment on.

Well hail was still quite terrible, while void became usable after the last T2 ammo buff.

That is a good point, I hadn't considered items currently only popular enough for T2 BPO manufacture, and a good argument can indeed be made for the Oneiros being such an example.

Other potential effect in the pipeline will be of course the player owned customs house thingies which may affect inventors' POS bills - though, again without doing the maths, fuel costs should generally form a fairly small percentage of the cost of an invented T2 gizmo.