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If market botting is allowed, why not just build it into the game CCP?

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#1 - 2013-02-13 07:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Gogela
I was just perusing the forbidden posts to try and catch up on space happenings and I came across this post. Parsing the context a bit the tl;dr; takeaway for me was "market botting isn't illegal because there are no consequences." Seems like I've been wasting my time even writing petitions about suspected market botters. They've just been going into a black hole. (Petitions in a black hole system get a +10 to pointlessness and take a severe give-a-s***ter penalty.)

If you can run one of these "cache scraping" scripts... I mean wtf is the point? So I was all pis'd and thinking about where I was going to get a script like this when it occurred to me, CCP has programmers, and I bet they could make this happen pretty easily and just incorporate it into the game instead of forcing players into rolling the dice on third party scripts. So how about it, CCP? Can we get a max/min best price script going when we post a buy or sell order? I mean, that shouldn't be hard to write, right? Anybody with me on this? Anyone know of a good script I could use in the meantime?

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tear catcher
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-02-13 07:06:34 UTC  |  Edited by: tear catcher
I +1 this idea!!


EDIT: Non the less this is a cool idea lol
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3 - 2013-02-13 07:09:26 UTC
You don't seem to understand what cache scraping is.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-02-13 07:14:47 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
You don't seem to understand what cache scraping is.


He is still right about it would be better if it was a feature in the client, and not something you would have to run third-party applications to do.
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#5 - 2013-02-13 07:17:57 UTC
Dante Uisen wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
You don't seem to understand what cache scraping is.


He is still right about it would be better if it was a feature in the client, and not something you would have to run third-party applications to do.

RubyPorto is just a hater and known Goon spy.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-02-13 07:23:30 UTC
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that whole topic about someone getting banned for market botting and CCP upholding the ban?
D4mane
Wazan Tme Inc.
Corelum Syndicate
#7 - 2013-02-13 07:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: D4mane
All I need now it find a way to plug my Hign Frequency Black Box Trading rig into Jita and all will be ok.

I have no ideea what cache scraping is but I assume in this case the 3rd party program just reads your cache and returns to you the orders that need updating and the amount needed or something but dose not help you update the orders really fast as in the case of the E-uni guy?

But things are really upsidedown when you cand multibox 100chars with ISBoxer and be fine (no unfair faster than Flash and Jaedong super saiyan move along), and others are getting banned for 14days (first strike) because the leave sentry drones in some plex and go afk to work (the reason beeing they automated the game too much).
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-02-13 07:34:05 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that whole topic about someone getting banned for market botting and CCP upholding the ban?


You are wrong, using the cache files is allowed using software to automate the process of modifying orders is not, which is why he got banned.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#9 - 2013-02-13 07:37:27 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Dante Uisen wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
You don't seem to understand what cache scraping is.


He is still right about it would be better if it was a feature in the client, and not something you would have to run third-party applications to do.

RubyPorto is just a hater and known Goon spy.


Still have never paid my ::tenbux::, sorry everybody.

A good cache scraping feature (plus cache updater) would be a good addition to the game client. I didn't address that because of your conflation of Cache Scraping with botting in your OP.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-02-13 07:40:33 UTC
Dante Uisen wrote:
Aren Madigan wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that whole topic about someone getting banned for market botting and CCP upholding the ban?


You are wrong, using the cache files is allowed using software to automate the process of modifying orders is not, which is why he got banned.



OK then... correct me if I'm wrong, but if it isn't automated, how is it botting? And if its not botting, what is this topic based off of when it clearly stated that the OP believes "market botting is allowed"?
Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-02-13 07:44:36 UTC
Aren Madigan wrote:
OK then... correct me if I'm wrong, but if it isn't automated, how is it botting? And if its not botting, what is this topic based off of when it clearly stated that the OP believes "market botting is allowed"?


The OP just don't know how data sculpting works and what is allowed and that is not.
Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#12 - 2013-02-13 09:21:12 UTC
All that drama and OP doesn't even know what botting is.

Since third party stuff is reliant on players to be aware of it, and to use it in order to update, if CCP were to do this how and to what extent do you think they should limit it? If the client just updates all movement in realtime what are the implications?

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Thur Barbek
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-02-13 09:28:41 UTC
Gogela wrote:
I was just perusing the forbidden posts to try and catch up on space happenings and I came across this post. Parsing the context a bit the tl;dr; takeaway for me was "market botting isn't illegal because there are no consequences."


You realize that thread was started because a market bot GOT BANNED and lost over 300b... so yea. Maybe learn to read first.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#14 - 2013-02-13 09:31:42 UTC
Botting isn't allowed. What more do you need to know?

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-02-13 09:34:38 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Dante Uisen wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
You don't seem to understand what cache scraping is.


He is still right about it would be better if it was a feature in the client, and not something you would have to run third-party applications to do.

RubyPorto is just a hater and known Goon spy.

That bastard! Give me all my likes back, Ruby!

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-02-13 10:12:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ChromeStriker
CCP Sreegs has already stated that he wants this type of information to be api driven (or whatever that new one is for 3rd parties)

No Worries
Whitehound
#17 - 2013-02-13 10:38:08 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Can we get a max/min best price script going when we post a buy or sell order? I mean, that shouldn't be hard to write, right? Anybody with me on this? Anyone know of a good script I could use in the meantime?

You want a feature, which lets you set an upper and a lower price for your orders and have the game adjust it so that it changes the price to maximize your profit, right? If so then the botters will start changing the min/max price with scripts and you get beat again.

My suggestion to you: just set your orders to the price you want and walk away from them.

Stop trying to participate in 0.01 ISK wars. You just end up sitting docked at a station for hours a day. Rather find places where you still can make a profit easily and you will find that the game can be played without bots, without grinding the UI and still get a profit from it.

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Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
#18 - 2013-02-13 11:03:38 UTC
Botting is allowed? Since when? Proof?

I thought not.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-02-13 11:04:37 UTC
Gogela wrote:
If you can run one of these "cache scraping" scripts... I mean wtf is the point?

Scraping information locally, automated or not = not botting.
Modifying information on the server automatically = botting.

That thread wasn't created because someone did the former, it was created because someone did the latter. Next whinethread, please.

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RIP Vile Rat
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-02-13 11:07:05 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Botting isn't allowed. What more do you need to know?
It's weird, but somehow i feel like i keep seeing you posting this ...
... but i'm the only guy who sees you actually posting it.

Sometimes things are so obvious, people can't get them into their heads.
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