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Petition - Full ban of multi boxing programs which duplicate clicks.

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Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#41 - 2013-02-12 22:46:53 UTC
Perhaps it's up to the sandbox?

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Kal Mindar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-02-12 23:03:46 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kal Mindar wrote:
One click should never move multiple characters unless CCP has specifically designed that into the game. Ie. Fleet warp.
Why not?

What impact does it have on risk vs. reward and action vs. consequence (apart from making the risks that much higher since a multiboxed fleet is that much easier to kill)?



That is the point. A mining fleet that can move in complete synchronicity is harder to kill them a mining fleet that requires individual clicks. The multi box programs do more than fleet warp. They can engage, disengage asteroids, move ore to holds or cans, anything you do om one screen can be duplicated. This is not how I want eve to be hence the petition.

I am but one person and a healthy discussion is always beneficial to the game as a whole.


So far 1 in 7 people who have viewed this thread agree. That is a fairly high percentage compares to other community driven initiatives.

I love this game, I love this community and my motivation is to help strengthen the core values that I feel set this game apart.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#43 - 2013-02-12 23:11:13 UTC
Kal Mindar wrote:
That is the point. A mining fleet that can move in complete synchronicity is harder to kill them a mining fleet that requires individual clicks.
Not really, no. Since they all behave exactly the same, they cannot respond to individual threats and they all fall into the exact same trap at the exact same time.

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The multi box programs do more than fleet warp. They can engage, disengage asteroids, move ore to holds or cans, anything you do om one screen can be duplicated.
…and in doing so be a whole lot less efficient than fleets that can spread out among the rocks properly; respond to variations in the environment; and act on a per-need basis rather than on a one-fits-all template. What you're describing is exactly why there's an upper limit to how much you can multibox. 30 ships sucking on the same asteroid means you've wasted 20 ships…

The only thing multiboxing really helps you with is not having to engage in teamspeak banter. Then again, that might be an unfair advantage in and of itself… P
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-02-12 23:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Arduemont wrote:
I am of two minds about this. Firstly it is obscene... I don't understand why anyone multi-boxes in this fashion anyway, it seems completely pointless.

Second, I don't see that it is of any harm. A 30 man mining fleet that is all being multiboxed may look like it's earning shed loads of ISK... but it isn't. That poor idiot is only getting the same amount per account as he would be if he were only running one account. He has to pay for all those accounts after all, and running 30 miners isn't going to get you the money for 30 plexes per month.

I could easily have overlooked something here. There is probably some obscure way of multiboxing to make obscene ISK, but I can't see it. If someone running 6 multiboxed accounts is running level fours and earning 50m per tick then he's only really getting 8m per account, which is alright... bout standard really. And he/she is paying CCP for all those accounts... So...More fool him really.

for a mining fleet you have fixed costs in terms of the orca/rorqual booster and very slowly scaling costs in terms of a freighter or another orca to haul your minerals to the nearest station.

the orca booster is a great example for a mechanic that makes multiboxing profitable: its boost applies in full to each new miner you add while its cost stays the same (so its cost per mining account goes down and the profitability of each miner goes up the more miners you add).

I haven't done any maths on this (and quite frankly can't be bothered to do so) but from talking to industrialists it seems that if you are solo mining then you should use at least 5-6 accounts.

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Kal Mindar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2013-02-12 23:22:39 UTC
Without that piece of software, no one could control a 30 man mining fleet on their own and have a great deal of efficiency or lack of risk. These programs minimalize risk and facilitate unnatural game play. If this is what eve is about so be it. But I don't believe this is the vision CCP is after. I don't own the game and am but one character starting a petition. I don't think running a 30 man fleet with an outside piece of automation software should be allowed.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-02-12 23:23:40 UTC
I multibox all the goons at once Straight

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Zilero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-02-12 23:29:18 UTC
Kal Mindar wrote:

One click should never move multiple characters unless CCP has specifically designed that into the game. Ie. Fleet warp.


This.
Greyson Khashour
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-02-12 23:35:25 UTC
Kal Mindar wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/

Copy and paste the link. With large sums of money or spare equipment, you don't need a program to multi-box. Would you ban the above also simply because you can't do it?



Umm. No. My problem is with a program that takes 1 click and duplicates it 30 times. Again, why should they be allowed to warp all 30 hulks let's say, back to a pos with 1 click. How does this reinforce the main theme of action vs. consequence that this game is underpinned by?



uhm...warp fleet to...
Agustice Arterius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-02-13 00:26:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Agustice Arterius
You know what...

I'm staying out of this one.

Tell me how it ends.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2013-02-13 01:09:08 UTC
Say how does issuing each command to an account facilitate greater reward than some one else going and issuing the command?

I am horribly confused here.

The EULA prohibits you from violating the rest play work cycle we all live by (well unless you are on drugs but that is unsustainable and self correcting) but multiboxing does no such thing.

I suppose then going by that logic we should find the majority ISK/hr of players and anyone over that is looking for a ban by earning at an accelerated rate.
Oh and items, oh let's go on the items.
All the nullsec alliances need to be shut down right now for acquiring moongoo at a rate I can not match.
In fact so do incursion runners and every other severely limited activity.
stoicfaux
#51 - 2013-02-13 01:16:14 UTC
Nexus store needs to start selling popcorn. 5500 Aurum for my Avatar to hold a box of popcorn that's visible in our forum portraits would be so worth it.


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BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#52 - 2013-02-13 01:34:06 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Nexus store needs to start selling popcorn. 5500 Aurum for my Avatar to hold a box of popcorn that's visible in our forum portraits would be so worth it.





You'd run out of popcorn so fast though
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#53 - 2013-02-13 01:59:59 UTC
For a game that promotes alts and multi accounts as much as Eve does, would seem kindof silly to start cracking down on multibox programs.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#54 - 2013-02-13 03:10:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kal Mindar wrote:
One click should never move multiple characters unless CCP has specifically designed that into the game. Ie. Fleet warp.
Why not?

What impact does it have on risk vs. reward and action vs. consequence (apart from making the risks that much higher since a multiboxed fleet is that much easier to kill)?


Forgive me if I sound rather lost in the suace for saying this, but I thought the issue is when this "click" doesn't come from a player clicking a mouse or keystrokes but an automated program, not how many ships move or function in unison. I thought that was the difference between multi-boxing and botting and is why multi-boxing is allowed while botting is not.

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"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

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Jason Xado
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-02-13 03:19:13 UTC
Multiboxing is valid gameplay. Some like to play Eve as an MMO-RPG. Should you only get to control one villager in Age of Empires?
Kathern Aurilen
#56 - 2013-02-13 03:26:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
Arduemont wrote:
I am of two minds about this. Firstly it is obscene... I don't understand why anyone multi-boxes in this fashion anyway, it seems completely pointless.

Second, I don't see that it is of any harm. A 30 man mining fleet that is all being multiboxed may look like it's earning shed loads of ISK... but it isn't. That poor idiot is only getting the same amount per account as he would be if he were only running one account. He has to pay for all those accounts after all, and running 30 miners isn't going to get you the money for 30 plexes per month.

I could easily have overlooked something here. There is probably some obscure way of multiboxing to make obscene ISK, but I can't see it. If someone running 6 multiboxed accounts is running level fours and earning 50m per tick then he's only really getting 8m per account, which is alright... bout standard really. And he/she is paying CCP for all those accounts... So...More fool him really.
With just mining, I could can clear a easy .9 billion in a month with no fleet boost in a mack at lvl 3 with just 5-6 loads a day....

Hell I made a billion in just 3 weeks one time(but that was a LLLOOONNNGGGG month and had fleet boost)

The part ur missing is its 30 guys making isk and only only one guy spending it. Plus if he mines like I do, He would pulling 10-15 BILLION just mining in ONE MONTH AFTER buying the 30 plex. Plus thats 30 plex off the market raising the price that much higher

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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#57 - 2013-02-13 03:51:58 UTC
Agreed, they're lame. +1

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#58 - 2013-02-13 03:56:43 UTC
Their house, their rules,ladies...

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Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-02-13 04:00:42 UTC
Imagine the alpha from multiboxing 30 tornado's mmmm
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#60 - 2013-02-13 04:01:48 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/

Copy and paste the link. With large sums of money or spare equipment, you don't need a program to multi-box. Would you ban the above also simply because you can't do it?


How is using a physical machine to automate the process of pressing the same button on a dozen keyboards any different to using a software tool to do the same thing? You clearly have an advantage over pressing all those buttons by hand or even using Synergy or Teleport to do keyboard & mouse sharing.

Note that fleet warp is very different to a dozen ships warping together: in a fleet warp all ships will reach a maximum warp speed determined by the slowest ship in the fleet. So fleet warp is not the same thing as multiboxing synchronised warps.

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