Intergalactic Summit

Very well, inter-subjective. Although if you had read a little closer, you might have noticed that I myself used the term "shared subjective", above.

Hmm. Thank you for your reply, miss Katla.

I'm not sure you quite understood the intent of my first statement. I shouldn't have used the word "compete", really - What I more meant was the ability of two societies, however similar or different, to "Moderate" one another, so to speak. That is, if one of the two becomes irrepairably corrupt or damaged on a fundemental level, the influence of the other (either directly, or by simply by lacking said flaws and leading by example and influence) can help bring it back from the brink, or, if needed, sweep it away. If there is only one, however... Well...

Suppose a man lives completely alone, having never known others. He suffers from a terrible facial rash that hurts him constantly, and impedes his sense of sight and smell as it steadily grows.

However, because he has literally never seen another human being - Nor will he - He has no capacity to understand that this rash is any less natural then, say, growing older. He has absolutely no context for this problem, and thus it is quite possible he will never realize it even exists... Until it swells up his sinuses and throat and kills him, of course.

Or, more bluntly: One can quickly turn into something ugly, for want of a mirror.

As for the other two - I suppose our disagreement likely exists on a more fundemental level. You believe that the problems you must, inevitably, endure, are only a reason to push even harder for your goal. But that does not ring logically, to me. The existance of those eventual failings seems exactly why one shouldn't be so highly aspirational, and burden oneself with the need to be eternally vigilant.

Perhaps it is simply how I am raised. The Achur faith often teaches, as you might be aware, to accept ones place in the cosmos, and not fight forever against the natural order in a battle that simply cannot be won.

It seems better to simply understand what one can realistically create for themselves, without thinking of others.

Not at all, I appreciate the correction.

Not untrue, in some cases, where the ability to "diagnose" is held meaningfully by many in varying positions - though one should not mistake an echo chamber as anything but, even if it is an impressively large one - but we are discussing Sansha's Nation, here, at least vaguely, which quite infamously has a very small tip at the top of it's proverbial societal pyramid. Quite literally a "single individual", as you put it. Not to say that there are no other voices of importance (Or atleast I wouldn't presume to make such a statement, since I'm fairly uninformed on Nations actual structure beyond the basics), but it does ultimately come down to the decisions of one man.

It is on his account that I make this arguement, in a manner of speaking.


Ah. That does make a little more sense, yes.

I find it difficult to entirely disagree with you in your assesment on the state of the cluster, or in your opinions about socities growing "closer together", to a point. One could make the arguement that two socities can co-exist peacefully and on good terms despite having massive idealogical and cultural differences that would make them likely forever unable to integrate into a single entity (This could, with some considerable charity, describe the present state of the relations between the Federation and the Republic), but the state of things does make it appear that they are predisposed to the two extremes; Unison, or outright aggression.

Still, a neighbor that despises you is still a neighbor, and will be be quick to draw your attention to your flaws or missteps - If only to mock or exploit you for them. Hardly ideal, but still achieves in the same end, if in a far more grim fashion.

As for CONCORD... Well, I think they the best they could, considering. But I don't really know enough to say, to be honest.


Well... Thank you, pilot. You flatter me.

I do believe there is something to be learned from almost every society in the cluster, even if that knowledge is not necessarily positive in a direct sense. Perspective, I think, helps a great deal in achieving self-understanding. Which I think is valuable in of itself, even if one would rather keep what they have then change themselves in response to it.

Oh no, I didn't mean to give the impression that I thought he was he was, strictly speaking. As I said, there are likely other "voices" within Nation (And the choice of words was intentional) that carry noteworthy weight, at the very least.

However, are they really diverse, in both personality and placement, to truly manage objective self-analysis, to the same extent that an outsider could? And if so, are the dissenting voices loud and numerous enough to impact if the entire thing has truly become wayward? I am not so certain.

My point was less that Kuvakei is incapable of making objective decisions, more that should he (or whatever entity you would describe as his "Administration") become so in the future, there would - assuming he had become the sole leader of humanity - not really be anyone with the power to correct this. Nor even anyone/any group in a similar position to compare his successes and failures to, which is quite helpful when it comes to abstract judgements.

I'm not sure I can really argue this point much further due to the lack of information, though, and I worry of causing offense. So I'll leave it at that, I suppose.


Questionable, I think. While reform, does, as you say, often come from within, it's also affected considerably by external factors. Take, for instance, Tibus Heth's rise to power and the subsequent explosion of patriotism and traditional Caldari values. Much of it was, and still remains, spurrned by a desire to be less like the Gallenteans, who have long been regarded as - to a degree - culturally toxic.

But what if there were no Gallenteans to be less like? If the Federation had, say, collapsed after the war, and the State had no frame of comparison, it might well have sunk further into it's aquired ways. That's not a certaintly, of course, but I mention it to illustrate that external affairs can draw attention to internal issues, and (though subjectively, in this instance) lead to an overall improvement.

That being said, what you describe is obviously more desireable, but you're not using the word "neighbor" in the same respect that I am. You're more talking about... Family members, to to speak. And family is often wont to be a little too forgiving for ones own good, and has a tendancy to get a bit obessed with it's own little rules and habits.

(Also, for reference - I wasn't referring to Nation when I mentioned echo chambers. That was more a side note, that even socities that do absolutely everything right in regard to diverse self-moderation can still end up falling into the same mistakes that everyone else does.)


I... Must say that I'm a little puzzled why you would wear such a quote with pride, regardless of who happened to speak it, miss Katla. Since "extremisim" generally refers to taking an idea or a cause to such a point that it defeats the original intent, it sounds as though it was meant as an insult.

It's also more then a little paradoxical. Though I suppose that might've been what was in mind.

He is certainly a dictator. No one in Nation will tell you any different. Where we disagree is that you believe this is a bad thing, whereas we consider it a good thing.

I would disagree with the assertion that he is "just another dictator" however.

Ah.

The question then becomes, which is Kuvakei? You'll find the opinion varies.

Its remarkably unanimous depending on whether you actually live under him or not.

1) His Ego: I disagree, but thats my subjective insiders view.
2) The fact that he was a Caldari tycoon is utterly irrelevant to any of this discussion
3) The four empires did not attack because they saw a moral wrong. If they did, their reaction was wildly out of proportion. They acted as if we were a threat to them, and in a way we were. Just not the military kind of threat, but the social kind.
4) Again and unfounded accusation that is not bounded in fact but in opinion, however this time cited as a fact.

It is true that all four empires worked together for the first, and apparently last, time. This likely has more to do with the influence of the Jovians over the CONCORD empires, however, more than any sort of great outrage. The outrage came after the fact, as a justification for the continued genocide against our people.

If you believe Nation is the 'short, easy path' then I wonder how badly you failed history classes.