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Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
#1 - 2013-02-12 23:50:18 UTC
Hi there!

At this topic i will do a suggestions about large ships (so like Battleship, Dreadnought and Titans)

I have played Eve Online some times ago, and what i see is, small ships are get in more powerfull...

So at this topic was dedicated for large ships at the eve universe.


Frigates, Destroyer, Cruiser has limit of up to 4 Drones to use, like ships role...

Battlecruisers (also higher tier) can use up to 6 drones at same time...

Battleships (even higher tiers) can use up to 9 drones (so like Marauders), simple battleships can use just 8 drones at the same time.


Now Capital Ships:

Dreadnought class:

They can use 5 XL-Large Weapons AND 5 Slots for turrets or missiles (just for their race), to get more power on the battlefield!
AND Dreadnoughts can use 25 Drones at the same time, but this booster will increase there cost for an Dreadnought up to 4.000.000.000 ISK!!!

At the moment, 3 battleships with high skills, can do the same damage like a Dreadnought in siege mode, but the 3 battleships hase more options to engage the enemy... thats not fair against Dreads, they are in siege and Tech 1 siege modules will be just useless at this moment.


Titan class:

Titans has the option to increase there turrest up to 16 !!!!
And can use 50 drones at the same time, so this will be fine for great battlesfileds, and will avoid to use titans just for titan brigedes for fleets only.




What do you think about this and stay def to capital ships, they are just usable at some sectors (like low oder 0.0) and they are very slow at movement



Sry for my bad english, i did my best :)
Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#2 - 2013-02-12 23:55:44 UTC
Todesklinge wrote:
Hi there!

At this topic i will do a suggestions about large ships (so like Battleship, Dreadnought and Titans)

I have played Eve Online some times ago, and what i see is, small ships are get in more powerfull...

So at this topic was dedicated for large ships at the eve universe.


Frigates, Destroyer, Cruiser has limit of up to 4 Drones to use, like ships role...

Battlecruisers (also higher tier) can use up to 6 drones at same time...

Battleships (even higher tiers) can use up to 9 drones (so like Marauders), simple battleships can use just 8 drones at the same time.


Now Capital Ships:

Dreadnought class:

They can use 5 XL-Large Weapons AND 5 Slots for turrets or missiles (just for their race), to get more power on the battlefield!
AND Dreadnoughts can use 25 Drones at the same time, but this booster will increase there cost for an Dreadnought up to 4.000.000.000 ISK!!!

At the moment, 3 battleships with high skills, can do the same damage like a Dreadnought in siege mode, but the 3 battleships hase more options to engage the enemy... thats not fair against Dreads, they are in siege and Tech 1 siege modules will be just useless at this moment.


Titan class:

Titans has the option to increase there turrest up to 16 !!!!
And can use 50 drones at the same time, so this will be fine for great battlesfileds, and will avoid to use titans just for titan brigedes for fleets only.




What do you think about this and stay def to capital ships, they are just usable at some sectors (like low oder 0.0) and they are very slow at movement



Sry for my bad english, i did my best :)


you are an idiot. . .
5 drones is more than enough for any sub cap.

titan with 50 drones? get bent...
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-02-12 23:56:40 UTC
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
#4 - 2013-02-12 23:57:57 UTC
So why can kill an stealth bomber an battleship for just an 1/4 of there price?

A small frig can use torpedos, also battleship class weapons???

Another example:

Daredevil:

Frig, use 4 Weapons with a damage bonus of 200% = like 12 Weapons????
Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
#5 - 2013-02-12 23:59:02 UTC
Stratetic Cruiser can kill Battleships with there Speed, so why?
Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
#6 - 2013-02-13 00:00:15 UTC
Quote:


you are an idiot. . .
5 drones is more than enough for any sub cap.

titan with 50 drones? get bent...


Oh you idiot you have forgett to skill drones for battleships?
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#7 - 2013-02-13 00:00:54 UTC
There were too many drones a while back and they capped them to 5 per ship as a limit with bonuses to offset the lower number. Too many drones causes lag on the servers and slows down the game too much. Your suggestion won't happen.

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Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
#8 - 2013-02-13 00:02:33 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
There were too many drones a while back and they capped them to 5 per ship as a limit with bonuses to offset the lower number. Too many drones causes lag on the servers and slows down the game too much. Your suggestion won't happen.


Did you ever seen 1000 Dreadnoughts or Titans in the same System?
Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
#9 - 2013-02-13 00:07:44 UTC
You like if 2 frigs can kill a dreadnought and call reinforcements by cyno, and the dread have no chance to kill both frigs, so they kill just "5 Drones" of there Dreadnought???

Wow what a reasson... use more powerfull frigates then a dreadnought.
Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#10 - 2013-02-13 00:16:08 UTC
Todesklinge wrote:
MadMuppet wrote:
There were too many drones a while back and they capped them to 5 per ship as a limit with bonuses to offset the lower number. Too many drones causes lag on the servers and slows down the game too much. Your suggestion won't happen.


Did you ever seen 1000 Dreadnoughts or Titans in the same System?


... wow firstly:

the DOMI alone (pre drone BW, with legacy skills) could field 10 heavy drones. so a fleet of 10 DOMIS would be fielding 50 drones. average fleet fights back then where around 250 to 500 that is 1000 drones assuming all domis. thats was crippling for the server.

introducing what you have posted would mean (with current hull bonuses) the domanix would have 8 drones in space with a DPS output of 16 drones that's around 1k - 2k DPS depending on fit. way to much for 1 BS to field in drones.

as for your comment about smaller hulls taking on larger ones, this is by design not accident. bigger is not always better.

a frig can hold a BS (and kill it if the BS is fitted shitly) this would be impossible with your idea
a T3 ship is specifically designed to punch above its own weight (the down side is SP loss if you die).

so please do GD a favor and refrain from posting serial box ideas in the future.

regards
DD
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#11 - 2013-02-13 00:16:17 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat


This was my reaction exactly

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-02-13 00:17:45 UTC
Just cause its bigger/more expensive doesn't mean that it is better...
That is an overly simplistic 'gaming' view of the universe.

Different ships have different roles.

I wouldn't take a SB up against frigates and interceptors, but I'll happily torpedo a battleship
I wouldn't take a battleship into combat against fast moving ships that can get under my guns

Different ships for different jobs.
Supporting each other in a fleet each ship will fill a niche, alone each ship will be torn apart by others taking advantage of its weaknesses.


EVE is more than just DPS

And as for more drones, you have to be kidding



There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Todesklinge
Research and Development Corporation
#13 - 2013-02-13 00:26:55 UTC
Why there is exist Tech 3 Cruisers, but no Tech 2 Dreadnoughts or Titans?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-02-13 00:28:57 UTC
Because.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Dark Drifter
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#15 - 2013-02-13 00:29:01 UTC
Todesklinge wrote:
Why there is exist Tech 3 Cruisers, but no Tech 2 Dreadnoughts or Titans?


now i know you are just trolling.

T2 caps/supas are just an awful idea.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#16 - 2013-02-13 00:36:48 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat


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GreenSeed
#17 - 2013-02-13 00:39:45 UTC
honestly, they need to reduce drone count again instead of increasing it... 3 max, with a damage and survivability compensation just like it happened in the last drone count drop, back when we could field 10 drones.

specially with ships like dragoons and algos around... most frig pilots die horribly to them, not because there's any skill involved, but because it just impossible to target and kill each of the five before the remaining 2 deal their damage.

and yes, i know they are frig killing dessies, but with regular dessies you could at least kite them for a while before they started melting you, even at 1.5x falloff.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-02-13 04:17:35 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat


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Now we wait for the next stupid thread on GD.

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stoicfaux
#19 - 2013-02-13 04:33:45 UTC
Todesklinge wrote:

I have played Eve Online some times ago, and what i see is, small ships are get in more powerfull...

a) Your large ships will be no match for a fleet of White Stars, err, I mean Angel faction Tornado BCs.

b) Phoenix dreadnought: 1,320,000,000 kg
Hound Stealth Bomber: 1,370,000 kg
1,320,000,000 / 1,370,000 = 963.5

That's 963 Hounds (with 2,889 Torpedo Launchers) duct-taped together into the Ultimate Dreadnought.


tl;dr - Bigger is not better. Smaller is better because smaller things make other things look bigger, i.e. don't get a sports car, just marry a short woman. It's what I did.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#20 - 2013-02-13 04:35:30 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Todesklinge wrote:

I have played Eve Online some times ago, and what i see is, small ships are get in more powerfull...

a) Your large ships will be no match for a fleet of White Stars, err, I mean Angel faction Tornado BCs.

b) Phoenix dreadnought: 1,320,000,000 kg
Hound Stealth Bomber: 1,370,000 kg
1,320,000,000 / 1,370,000 = 963.5

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
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