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A Hypothetical Skill Question, Would This Be Fair?

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Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#121 - 2013-02-12 21:02:11 UTC
Runeme Shilter wrote:


Yes, it would be completely fair to not reimburse any skillpoints.

RS


Why so?
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#122 - 2013-02-12 21:05:05 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
There is the logical reason given for the premise.
…and as mentioned, it's incomplete and factually incorrect. We have argued with the reasoning and shown it to be wrong, but you refuse to accept that fact. Instead, when people do, you skip over the details, dismiss them as irrelevant or pedantry, and call the people trolls.


Tippia, you made an argument, and then when I countered it you disappeared from the thread. And now you consider that you've argued it and its wrong? wow
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#123 - 2013-02-12 21:07:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rebecha Pucontis
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
]Incorrect. In the mining barge example, the skill gives the benefits a, b, and c… Oh, and a and c are the same benefit. Oh, and the people who want a reimbursement has already used the b-advantage and don't lose anything. Oh, and they get a bigger bang for their buck than the people who want the same advantages after the patch.


You spoke about the mining barge giving the benefits listed in A, B, and C, so that is correct. After the changes one of the benefits, the benefit B, the ability to train a further skill is removed and given to the whole community, although other benefits still remain.

In the drone example you get the benefits A and B, and then after the change one of the benefits listed under the category A, the benefit of increasing combat drone attributes by 100% is removed and given to the entire community, although the other benefits still remain.

There is some point though in there which you are either failing to grasp, or ignoring to suit your own argument, or disagreeing with. Either of which though has no rational basis.


Also don't just select specific parts of the post and argue them, if your going to argue the point then argue the whole post. Anyone can cherry pick a sentence and argue against it.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#124 - 2013-02-12 21:16:50 UTC
I can see the problem here Tippia. You are considering the mining barge skill as being a pre req to train for the orca as giving a one use advantage. Ie, once you've trained the Industrial Command skill, then effectively you've had the use of the skill.

I, and am sure most other people would consider a pre req as part of the training required to fly the ship, so its part of the skill set needed to continue flying the ship.
ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#125 - 2013-02-12 21:19:08 UTC
Greetings

Ok. This post has obviously hit a nerve on both sides of the HTFU isle. I ask that we keep on topic and refrain from personal attacks. If people continue with trolling or getting nasty we will take the shinny toy away from the children.

On On

ISD Flidais Asagiri Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#126 - 2013-02-12 21:36:25 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
Tippia, you made an argument, and then when I countered it
You did? Where was that? I've only seen you repeat the same incomplete and unequal comparisons between drastically different cases…

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I, and am sure most other people would consider a pre req as part of the training required to fly the ship, so its part of the skill set needed to continue flying the ship.
…which is factually incorrect. You don't need the skill set to continue flying the ship. Once you have the Industrial Command Ship skill, you have the Orca and the prereqs to that skill no longer matter. So the only ones who'd consider that are the ones who don't understand how the skill system works. Listening to people who don't understand the system is not a good guide for deciding what gets reimbursed and what does not…

…so no, “most other people” would hopefully not consider it as such, since that would make “most other people” just as incorrect.

So the simple fact remains: nothing will change for people who have trained for the Orca with this skill change — they maintain exactly the advantage they trained for, and not a single second of training time is lost in the process. In fact, the advantage they get after the patch over people who haven't trained the skills will be bigger than it was before the patch.

This is wholly and completely unlike your trumped-up example, where the trained-for advantage is lost when the underlying mechanic is removed, and which thereby warrants a reimbursement.

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if your going to argue the point then argue the whole post
No. If I'm going to argue a point, I'll quote the point — not the irrelevant blather that surrounds it.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#127 - 2013-02-12 21:36:33 UTC
Upon further review, this is the same topic as the other mining SP reimbursement thread.

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14. Redundant threads will be deleted.
As a courtesy to others before beginning a new thread, please look to see if an active thread on that topic has already been established. If so, place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forum needlessly and many good ideas may be lost. Keep discussions about one topic to one thread only.


Thread locked. Please keep all discussion about one topic in the appropriate thread.

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