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Petition - Full ban of multi boxing programs which duplicate clicks.

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Kal Mindar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-02-12 20:17:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Kal Mindar
With the recent news of the Eve-uni multi box botting scandal, I think it is time to ban multi box programs.
Any program that allows 1 player to operate 30 characters, even just for movement, should not be allowed. Why are they allowed to hit 1 button and insta warp 30 characters to safety instead of dealing with the consequences of not being able to manually move them all in time to prevent a gank. A click is a click and any program that duplicates one is not following the spirit of action vs. consequence that this amazing game is based upon.


I, Kal Mindar, deem that multi boxing programs are a EULA breaking form of automation that undermines the integrity of this game.


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This is pretty sad. I have never seen such a lack of reading comprehension in my life. I started this thread to petition against ONE thing only and that was Duplication of clicks via a 3rd party program.
From there, you guys have talked about fleet warp being duplication? Really? An in game feature is 3rd party software?
Ban multi boxing? Are you kidding? No one said anything about one person being able to control multiple accounts.
OP is just mad/poor/idiot/etc..... I use 4 accounts to play this game, I multi box, I have plenty of $ thank you for isboxer or more accounts.

Give your collective heads a shake. This thread is about a program doing the work that a person should have to do in order to keep the playing field even. Eve central fine. Spreadsheets fine. Pyfa fine. None of these perform in game clicks for players. You have to understand clicks are what sets the tempo for how long it takes to do things. Automate any part of it and it undermines the level playing field that must be there. Anyway, some really great posts for both sides of the discussion. Just too bad so many people seem to have missed some simple points to keep this thread on topic. Hopefully CCP got some good player input and can use it to continue making this game freaking amazing.

I love you all.

Fly safe o7.

Kal
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-02-12 20:20:52 UTC
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Dante Uisen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-02-12 20:21:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Dante Uisen
Kal Mindar wrote:
Any program that allows 1 player to operate 30 characters, even just for movement, should not be allowed. Why are they allowed to hit 1 button and insta warp 30 characters to safety instead of dealing with the consequences of not being able to manually move them all in time to prevent a gank.


Yes, fleet warp should be a banable offense.
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2013-02-12 20:21:26 UTC
/signed
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2013-02-12 20:22:01 UTC
Dante Uisen wrote:
Kal Mindar wrote:
Any program that allows 1 player to operate 30 characters, even just for movement, should not be allowed.


Yes, fleet warp should be a banable offense.


Don't be obtuse, that's quite obviously not what he was talking about. That is a supported, by design in game mechanic.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-02-12 20:25:04 UTC
I'm on the fence somewhat, i've never used anything like that but have considered trying it after seeing the isboxer Drake vid on youtube.

At the same time, I can see the argument that it's bad for the game. I know a dude who Isboxer'd 4 Ravens in null sec Forsaken Hubs and made obscene isk, and have heard the stories of the "100 man solo mining fleet" lol.

The counter-counter argument is that these tycoons would unsub their 100 ship mining fleets if they couldn't use them...

Hell, as it is I guess it's ok since the player is at the keyboard, but i don't really like it.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#7 - 2013-02-12 20:25:53 UTC
Kal Mindar wrote:


I, Kal Mindar, deem that multi boxing programs are a EULA breaking form of automation that undermines the integrity of this game.


When you become CCP Kal Mindar, I'll give a **** what you think.

Mr Epeen Cool
Google Voices
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-02-12 20:31:46 UTC
"3.You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play."

Isboxer clearly breaks the EULA by facilitating the ability of a single person to use an army to facilitate the acquisition of items at an accelerated rate. You could not run 20 clients yourself at anywhere near the efficiency that Isboxer allows.



I guess the rules only apply when CCP says they apply. Lol


"Fozzie could not comment on when this issue would be resolved and stated that “one day Veritas will come up to me and say ‘hey I fixed off-grid boosting’”, but he had no idea on a potential timeframe for this sort of miracle."
Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#9 - 2013-02-12 20:36:15 UTC
/signed

I've asked this before, with no answer from CCP. If Macro use isn't allowed in EVE. Then what about keyboards that you can make Marcos on the fly on? Are those illegal to use aswell?
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#10 - 2013-02-12 20:36:42 UTC
Could someone dig up the pictures so often used to prove you don't need multiboxing programs?

Look, just because the op can't afford, refuses to use, has limited CPU to run, or just doesn't like multiple accounts and multiboxing tools does not give them the right to demand we all play by his rules. By this same logic, I could demand nul confers too much advantage so all null should become 1.0 space.
Arec Bardwin
#11 - 2013-02-12 20:37:41 UTC
Google Voices wrote:
I guess the rules only apply when CCP says they apply. Lol
Why do you think CCP constantly pushes great deals for new accounts?

Hint: it has something to do with money.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#12 - 2013-02-12 20:42:24 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Could someone dig up the pictures so often used to prove you don't need multiboxing programs?

Look, just because the op can't afford, refuses to use, has limited CPU to run, or just doesn't like multiple accounts and multiboxing tools does not give them the right to demand we all play by his rules. By this same logic, I could demand nul confers too much advantage so all null should become 1.0 space.


Hey look y'all, i found someone who uses the multiboxing software! I have leet detective skills!
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#13 - 2013-02-12 20:45:30 UTC
http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/

Copy and paste the link. With large sums of money or spare equipment, you don't need a program to multi-box. Would you ban the above also simply because you can't do it?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2013-02-12 20:48:11 UTC
Kal Mindar wrote:
Why are they allowed to hit 1 button and insta warp 30 characters to safety instead of dealing with the consequences of not being able to manually move them all in time to prevent a gank.
Simple: because nothing is being automated — it's all direct player input.
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Forgers United
#15 - 2013-02-12 20:52:55 UTC
/signed
...I actually thought this isnt allowed at all.Shocked
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#16 - 2013-02-12 20:53:35 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
Could someone dig up the pictures so often used to prove you don't need multiboxing programs?

Look, just because the op can't afford, refuses to use, has limited CPU to run, or just doesn't like multiple accounts and multiboxing tools does not give them the right to demand we all play by his rules. By this same logic, I could demand nul confers too much advantage so all null should become 1.0 space.


Hey look y'all, i found someone who uses the multiboxing software! I have leet detective skills!


Oh yes, you caught me... I multi box my 3 accounts because they all can fly the same ships... Oh wait... This one is pvp. She can't mine except in a rokh or the like.

Hmm... Multi box pi? Bpo research? T2 invention? Um... Sorry, none of my toons overlap enough to be useful multiboxing. Ooooooh... I know, they could all multi box badgers! But being able to fly a charon kind of defeats that purpose.

Just because I support multi boxing, does not mean I am a user. I support methadone use for heroine detox, but don't use either. I support the right to bare arms in the US, but I don't own a gun. I support the freedom of the press, but i'm not a journalust. I support same-sex marriage rights, but I'm not getting one of those either.

Supporting a tool, system, belief, or freedom does not mean you will use such a tool, follow the belief or system, or exercise the freedom. It means you support the right of others to do so.
Kal Mindar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-02-12 20:58:50 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
http://technabob.com/blog/2010/04/11/eve-multi-boxing-rig/

Copy and paste the link. With large sums of money or spare equipment, you don't need a program to multi-box. Would you ban the above also simply because you can't do it?



Umm. No. My problem is with a program that takes 1 click and duplicates it 30 times. Again, why should they be allowed to warp all 30 hulks let's say, back to a pos with 1 click. How does this reinforce the main theme of action vs. consequence that this game is underpinned by?
Zilero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-02-12 21:02:09 UTC
/signed
Nissui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-02-12 21:06:46 UTC
Between a single-account user and a 30-account user, I know who CCP is going to side with. Your only hope is to become the evil you seek to destroy, multibox your own fleet of F1 Thrashers, and punish the infidel.
EI Digin
irc.zulusquad.org
#20 - 2013-02-12 21:14:00 UTC
If only there was some way to kill people you didn't like...
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