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bufnitza calatoare
#21 - 2013-02-12 18:16:12 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
bufnitza calatoare wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Oosel wrote:
i know we are always getting more tech and better shineys but ive always wondered does ccp continue with the jovian line also.......i know they are already uber and all that jazz but surely their tech will also advance in line with ours. or if the rumours are to be beleived and they are a dieing race have they just taken a well earned break a bit like the greeks did


We're getting one of their ships soon.



tbh I don't think so... its more than likely the next tourney ship.

with the exception of the remaps. ccp have NEVER given away anything useful as presents.

The spring one was good with all the implants and ships and such.



sorry totally forgot about the implants.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#22 - 2013-02-12 18:26:29 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
silens vesica wrote:

IOW, still not as tough as a GP hull. Blink

Fun with materials - Good stuff there. Cool

According to 'Known Space-Niven-cannon' a GP hull is a single molecule, energetically re-enforced by imbedded energy sources. It requires anti-matter impingement to denature it enough to penetrate it. Of course, once it starts to denature, it literally evaporates. Which could be embarasing.

Still enjoyed the post - I'm materials-geeking just a bit there.

You seem to be forgetting hybrid rounds fire am shells.
Also they killed another hull with a comms laser.
And really a single molecule is weak to quite a few things from acids and bases reacting thus altering the structure to short pulse high frequency & amplitude energy systems that cause surface plasma detonations to generation of aniparticles through high intensity LASER strikes to well energizing until the bonds fail (helloo projectiles)
The GP hull was only good because the space police ******** all the good techs.
Diamond is mono molecular yet we wouldnt armour tanks out of it alone.
On the other hand so are carbon nanostructures and while grand they have numerous issues and again can be defeated by local methods.
Also if you ship lets light in then you can just flashbake everyone inside with a visible laser and that would be the end of it.
Or depending on how dense it is I could use high energy particles or even a theoretical neutrino emission system (we can do that but it acts rather more as a point source than a beam. Kind of hard to get wimps to do what you want)

Wait saying the word meaning held back starting with r and ending with d is now a banned word?
Learn something new I guess.

AM shells I have not forgetten. If you recall your Niven, it took a steady stream of AM to do the job. Also, if you recall your chemistry, not all polymers are terribly reactive to changes in pH. Tearing down a hull with a coms laser was a done in a contrived situation. Nothing is ever safe from the author, not even canon. Blink
Come to think of it, neither is EVE safe from CCP. Hmmm.... <.<

Anyway, materials geeking is fun, but I think we're getting too serius here.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

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Aion Amarra
#23 - 2013-02-12 19:44:09 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:
Note the carbon nanotubes also have about 50 times the thermal conductivity of steel, which means melting your way through the armour will also be tough.


Bah. Head full of mental images of people just building weapons to boil the crew/inner circuitry alive instead of damaging the hull.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-02-12 19:49:39 UTC
silens vesica wrote:

AM shells I have not forgetten. If you recall your Niven, it took a steady stream of AM to do the job. Also, if you recall your chemistry, not all polymers are terribly reactive to changes in pH. Tearing down a hull with a coms laser was a done in a contrived situation. Nothing is ever safe from the author, not even canon. Blink
Come to think of it, neither is EVE safe from CCP. Hmmm.... <.<

Anyway, materials geeking is fun, but I think we're getting too serius here.


Shocked

>MRW

Dodixie > Hek
fukier
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-02-12 19:55:59 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Oosel wrote:
i know we are always getting more tech and better shineys but ive always wondered does ccp continue with the jovian line also.......i know they are already uber and all that jazz but surely their tech will also advance in line with ours. or if the rumours are to be beleived and they are a dieing race have they just taken a well earned break a bit like the greeks did


We're getting one of their ships soon.


Soct is about as jove as angel ships are.
At the end of the game both the pawn and the Queen go in the same box.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2013-02-12 20:32:23 UTC  |  Edited by: NEONOVUS
silens vesica wrote:

AM shells I have not forgetten. If you recall your Niven, it took a steady stream of AM to do the job. Also, if you recall your chemistry, not all polymers are terribly reactive to changes in pH. Tearing down a hull with a coms laser was a done in a contrived situation. Nothing is ever safe from the author, not even canon. Blink
Come to think of it, neither is EVE safe from CCP. Hmmm.... <.<

Anyway, materials geeking is fun, but I think we're getting too serius here.

The fact remains anti particles will annihilate your hull while liberating quite the significant quantity of hard radiation and for that matter the description bore far more consistency to the Dirac sea model than the more current model borne of general relativity and quantum theory.
Plus Braumstrung radiation caused by the braking will do quite well at transmuting the atoms further wrecking your monomolecular shell.

Also polymers tend to react poorly in space for a variety of reasons and the methods to make them work also mean they will fail even more catastrophically in the high energy events that so characterize warfare.

Also the battleship I mentioned earlier?
That was a USNAVY Iowa class battleship.
So that little Punisher you are flying?
You would need something like an Ivy-Mike initiation to destroy it.
Destroyers could easily be seeing Tsar Bomba level events to be wrecked.
And this is contingent on surface detonations as the further out you go the more energy is wasted (half of which will be even with the surface detonantion.)

So yeah GP hulls are author ****, while Jove hulls are actually supported by real world physics.
Which makes for something funny.

Oh wow really?
Another word removed by the filter that is the correct and accepted term.
Joy.
I should start a thread on the accursed word filter and its lack of oversight.
Particularly as the game is T and thus language is acceptable.
I feel like protesting by making a giant mamary made of cans outside an icebelt.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#27 - 2013-02-12 21:03:22 UTC
Jove hulls supported by science. In an internet spaceship MMO. Mm-Hmm.

Dude, seriously, don't be so serious. Materials engineering geeking is fun, but you're headed off the field of play awfully fast there.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#28 - 2013-02-13 12:01:48 UTC
I already have a Jove ship, it was given to me 5 years ago by the SfCT.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2013-02-13 12:51:58 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
Jove hulls supported by science. In an internet spaceship MMO. Mm-Hmm.

Dude, seriously, don't be so serious. Materials engineering geeking is fun, but you're headed off the field of play awfully fast there.

true I wrote a little to much.
I suppose its because there is just enough that when compared to the lol energy shields or you cant know of other scifi I am a bit happy.

Now a better question is what is the power source for everything in the game.
I mean the t2 ships we at least know due to the thulium products (this only goes into reactors, t2 ships are not in vast demand yet. Do not waste large sums of ISK on stockpiling it. Teiricide of t2 ships is not imminent.)
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-02-13 14:03:57 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
The Jovians will be the harbingers of change in EVE. None will stand before them and survive.

They will wipe the stars clean of Humanity's filth and we'll all start over again with ZERO skill points and empty wallets -- and NO LAG. Roll

Or not. Blink



So you mean to say no more Jita? I can live with that...

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#31 - 2013-02-13 14:16:49 UTC
Whenever Jove tech comes up, I like to point out the capsule. It's Jove tech. Old Jove tech.
Now compare its stats with a shuttle, then compare their sizes.

That's the level of miniaturisation we're dealing with.

The Jove have a huge technological edge over the Emipres, they're probably Tech7 by now if they kept up some research outside survival.

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