Intergalactic Summit

Whilst I understand what you are going for here, Scherezad, the term "Political and social reality" applies to make the motion of the stars and other such objective truths free from the binding strictures of formal and binding law.

And how is this a defense of your safety... when the Nation has moved beyond wormholes the rest of us can't follow you through? You could as easily close those wormholes and leave in eternal united peace on the other side, and leave the rest of us alone on this side. Peace for you, peace for us. Isn't that what you and captain Pohlevia were claiming before? The search for peace, unity and all that? Believe me, if you just vanished from this side of the cluster, no one would go looking for you, the empires and forces already have more than enough to fight against between themselves in order to seek for enemies that no longer mean them ill.



If I took all the ramblings and stupidities written on the IGS as proof of anything, I'd have to ask the Empress to declare war on the whole of humanity. Fortunately, half of what is written in this forum is just utter nonsense, a quarter is completely biased and ignorant of the truth even though it tries to be rational, half of the remaining quarter are reasonable even if they are not right, and only about that remaining eighth has some degree of truth into their words.

Thus, the ramblings of any pod pilot, mine included, prove nothing.

It proves the mental state of those with the power to end world civilizations.

If there is the division between the sky and the earth, why is it so easy to destroy with a space elevator? The fact that technology can modify both brain and body does nothing to defend the inexistance of the difference, nor the fact that they both are interrelated and interact with eachother. And that human will raises precisely from that interaction.



Can I rebel against the idea? Yes. Then there is the degree of will that proves conscience exists beyond their bodily conditionants and social constrictions. I'm not saying total free will exists, far from it, that would only be a treason to everything that matters for freedom can only exist while being alone. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all either, that's the reason responsability exists, duty and many other concepts.

Very well, let's check history. The Amarr has invaded the Bleak Lands after the Blood Raiders, invaded Minmatarr space to Reclaim them. The Republic has invaded the Empire to free their "brethren". The Caldari have invaded the Gallente to free Caldari Prime. The Serpentis and Guristas have invaded both Gallente and Caldari space. The Gallente are now invading the Caldari. CONCORD proved to be useless in keeping peace and the empires united even if external threats exist. The 0.0 alliances continue to invade and fight eachother in nullsec.

And this is only in the last ten years. I clearly fail to see where the power to threaten you lies anymore. We are divided in internal fighting and bickering, to remove an opponent/enemy from the scene would probably be most welcome by most.




You both give capsuleers too much credit. Capsuleers aren't so important in the lives of humanity in general, nor do they wield such tremendous power if compared to that of the empires or CONCORD, nor do they have the skill and capacity of to work together on the massive scale invading Sansha space would require. You can check the petitions of captain Vea in this regard to check how "decided pod pilots and empires are to exterminate you", if you really value the words of pilots here in IGS.

I am not willing to leave that up to chance, Captain Sepherim, nor are my brothers and sisters. History and living memory have taught us that if we cross our fingers, take a passive role, and live and let live, our reward will be nuclear winter, the deaths of many, many, many people on a permanent basis, the destruction of our facilities, and the setting up of task forces to eradicate us whenever we raise our heads again.

Did you know that previous to the Incursions, individuals who spoke up in favor of Sansha's Nation were often taken and beaten to death? Do you find this as horrifying as I do? If you do, then you should also share my disgust at the fact that a number of the people reading this comment's reaction will be to say to themselves, "good".

No, Captain, we cannot take a peaceful stance, as much as we might want it. We cannot take a peaceful stance because you will not allow it. We must be aggressive in the protection of our way of life, or else we will lose it and so much more.

That would be factually incorrect though. We want peace so badly in aches in ways you cannot even know. We will impose peace on you on our terms, because so far the CONCORD signatories have proven singularly unable to impose peace on theirs, even amongst themselves.

We do not do this thing because we can, Captain Sepherim.

We do this thing because no one else has proven willing to do what needs to be done.

So this justifies invading the empires and forcing your will upon them? How does this make you any better then the rest of the galaxy? Besides, who ask you to even try and save us? I know I didn't, and I know many others didn't either. If you really want peace then your people would have come with out weapons and would have used the proper channels. Instead you chose war. You may sprout the words for peace, but we all know you really have a knife waiting for us when we turn our backs to you and your Nation. So you're going to have to excuse me for not believing in your talk for peace.

This depends entirely, of course, on whose jurisdiction one happens to be under. This is usually dependent on one's physical location at any given moment, and sometimes dependent on formal agreements between sovereign political entities.

There are places which are essentially lawless or close to it, such as segments of 0.0 space, where the only real checks on people's behavior are the ones enforced by their alliance leaders, or the strength of their self-preservation drive. There is also a very real possibility of two jurisdictions coming into conflict with each other where the lines between them blur. Obviously, this is a bad situation.

Given these flaws in what is quite correctly observed a patchwork of multiple jurisdictions, you would be perfectly within your rights to ask: "Why put one's faith in such a messy and contradictory set of rules? Why not scrap all of it in favor of one universal law, applied equally and with absolute rigidity to all of humanity, everywhere, forever?"

With this line of reasoning, I would quite agree.

Tiberious addressed some good points here, but I will allow that your argument, laden with sarcasm though it may be, is indicative of a truth.

Although your decree obviously does nothing to alter physical reality, what it potentially does is set a formal and codified standard for the behavior and possibly even worldview of your employees. The sun is legally gone, and any counter-claim by any of your employees can be considered a crime, or even an act of rebellion. This assumes, of course, that you are able and willing to successfuly claim legal jurisdiction over your employees (actually not that hard, for a capsuleer), and to enforce adherence to your decree in an efficient and consistent way.

I will give an example of my own:

My name is Natalcya Katla. I was born approximately 32 standard years and 9 months ago, aboard a cruiser belonging to the Federal Navy, in a safespot in Vivanier.

I am almost entirely certain there is not a single molecule in my body that was actually part of my body at birth. It is not physically the same body - far from it. I have been podded and cloned a number of times. I have an artificial skeleton and a number of synthetic body modifications. My brain has been restructured time and again. Even my genes are different than the ones I was born with.

Even so, I know, with full certainty, that I am that same person who was born 32 standard years and 9 months ago in Vivanier. How can I know this?

Because CONCORD law, under whose jurisdiction I am as a capsuleer, clearly and unequivocally states that I am.

Even so, what is legally true today is not necessarily true tomorrow. If CONCORD decides to change their laws, or lose jurisdiction over capsuleers to another political entity successfully able to claim it, I may one day wake up to discover that I am not Natalcya Katla anymore, but somebody else, or nobody at all.

That is the power of law.