Intergalactic Summit

Nothing has so thoroughly convinced me of the evil and malice of Capsuleers then most of the responses in this thread. All it takes is for me to believe in the unkillable Dream, and suddenly I am some mad machine. Either my mind has been replaced by controlling implants or I am some mouthpiece for Master Kuvakei. Because I believe that every thing in the cluster should be united in harmony, I am now somehow defective.

I have taken no offensive action to anyone else, yet, many now consider me someone to be killed on sight without a second thought. For simple words, some are now so afraid of me as to wish my annihilation.

What a magnificent bunch you all are.

Remember, Evi, to most of these people killing you permanently would not be murder, but euthanasia. Always remember that when you're dealing with them.

Ms. Polevhia, take heart. We will not regard you as mad, misguided or defective. We will not give that excuse to you for the ownership of your future actions.

It is not your hope for a better existence we oppose - indeed, we too strive for this. It is your megalomaniac master's method we reject.

And should you die then your deaths, such as they are for a capsuleer, will not be regarded by us as euthanasia because that term implies a measure of mercy.

I can't agree more with captain Rundle. If we were to kill you, or any of your equals, it would be an act of war, not murder. A war your people started and that has already cost many lives. Oh, and before you disregard my words due to my hatred of the Nation, I can tell you I don't hate you at all. It's a matter of duty. My hatred lies elsewhere.

As for your questions, captain Khan, I believe he means cybertechnological "improvements" of body and mind: mental processors, reduction of chemical implications and such procedures. I don't know much about cybernetics, but I believe that's the way of the Nation to some extent: instead of fusioning the machine into the man as we all do, they put the man inside the machine.

This is factually incorrect, Captain. The central Empires attacked and invaded the Nation in YC 37. There has never been a peace agreement in the years since, nor a surrender.

A counter-offensive does not make the Nation the aggressor in the war.

It took us that long to regrow from the beating we took. That doesn't constitute a peace. That constitutes surviving a near genocide. It is legally and in truth the exact same war your people started. We have just learned our lessons from the last outbreak of hostilities and now know that we cannot, ever, afford to let CONCORD and its lapdogs get the upper hand.

You do not have your implants under your command, Captain. Unless you feel it is particularly human to start considering death on the megadeath scale to be something enjoyable. If that is humanity, I gleefully discard it.

Reason? Reason is another form of impulses, that we humans seek out. We use reason as a way to define what we do. Our true self is at the center of our impulses. Weather or not you wish to see it or not, with out our impulses, with out our instinct we lose everything.

I do not expect you to understand this, nor why I follow such a line of thinking. But what I do know is my mind, my impulses have always been of my own. This is how I define myself and how I live my life. And I assume that many others follow this in their own way, moving forward with their own minds, not giving up on what defines them. Even if it leads us down a path of pain and sorrow, we would never throw it all away just to get a glimpse of somebody else Utopia.

Those that freely give it up, are the ones who let others decide things for them. They probably never even thought about their own impulses, let alone what they truly wanted in life. That's the truth to many who have joined the Nation, as far as I'm concerned.

Very well, thus you come back to punish, enslave and kill people who weren't even born by the time of your offense, such as myself. You probably weren't born back then either. Thus you avenge on something that wasn't done to you, and avenge on people that didn't do it. Even the empires have changed their leaders in this time: we've seen the ascense of Tibus Heth in the State, the alleged return of the Elders in the Republic (though I agree this is mostly fiction it does show a change in the way the Republic matters are handled), the changes in the internal working of the Federation, and the change from one Emperor to the next until Empress Jamyl I took her rightful place in the throne.

So, you're not fighting the people that invaded you, you are not fighting the powers that invaded you, nor actually were you personally present during the invasion most probably (and certainly not most of the true slaves). Thus, when we've changed all the players and the rules of the game (thus wormholes), are we still playing the same game? The answer is not. The Amarr Empire has launched 24 Imperial Crusades up to now, most in the name of Reclaiming, are they all the same war of Reclaiming? No. And neither is this war with the Sansha Nation.



I don't enjoy death on the megadeath scale at all, and frown upon it whenever it happens. I already called both Tibus Heth and the leaders of the Minmatarr Republic to be held accountable for all the deaths caused by their violation of the Yulai Accords and starting the current wars. I kill, I won't deny that, but I do it for duty and not out of enjoyment. Thus, following your reasoning, I do keep my implants under my command and remain quite human. As do many pilots I know.



Then, which law is the one that is objective? Amarrian law? CONCORD law? Caldari law? Or maybe the Republic's? Or is it the Federation's, the Kingdom's or the Mandate's? Or is it the law that reigns over any 0.0 space controlled by any corporation, be it pod-pilot based or those of the Angels, Blood Raiders or any other such particular faction? Or maybe the law that is the collective will of Sansha Kuvakei over all his denizens?

No, captain Katla, law is far from being objective. It's only a paper written by people, with all the subjective faults and perceptions those people put into it. Some more flawed than others, but humanely limited none the less.

So, as far as forgetting a war... I never knew it, I can't forget what is never known to me, only an entry in the books of history. The previous war is a matter of history, the current one is a new one.

If there is such a division, Captain, why is the mind so easily overwritten by simply changing around a few neuropeptides? The mind is just another part of your body. There is nothing unique or special about it. The reason you consider us so alien to you is because we have accepted this, and you have not.

Your chain of thinking at the bottom of your post is incorrect. You rebel against controls because you are a biological being that has evolved in a certain way, and natural evolution is a surprisingly conservative method of change. It's only natural that the animal part of you wants to maintain divisions and its illusion of free will, but this does not make it something that actually exists. There is no free will to start the chain, no choice, and choice is not an essential element of humanity.

I am going to be brief and succinct here. This is not a war about vengeance. Revenge is a very small emotional taint floating around in some of the network.

This war is about the continued safety of our Nation, which we now know we will never have as long as the CONCORD signatories are on an equal footing with us in terms of power. Would that war not be necessary, but your side of this war has already proven to us that winning this war is the only method we will have to continue our way of life against unbridled aggression.

Want proof? Look at some of the responses to Evi in this thread.