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Suspect flags in rookie systems
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Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#41 - 2013-02-11 14:58:58 UTC
Turelus wrote:
I had an argument with someone who was sitting on the undock the other day about it, their view was "If they turn off the safety and shoot me then they deserve it"

You can check killboards though and they show plenty of NPC Newbie corp kills, if you suspect someone or see them (killboards are good proof) report them, CCP do that it seriously from what I have heard.

This is wrong; if their safety is set to green they can still enter in a limited engagement (which means shooting a suspect) and be shot back.

Same logic remains, if you're doing this in a rookie system it's because you want to catch out new players and it's a pretty **** thing to do.

There is precisely zero reason to do this in a rookie system that isn't "my goal is to trick newbies into the fight" and so it's indefensible under CCP's "don't **** with rookies" rule.

GM Homonoia (sp?) has been explicit on this in the past.

GM Homonoia wrote:
I shall make this real simple: Do not mess with rookies in rookie systems in any way. They are still trying to figure out how to read the overview and how to right click; messing with them at that point in their career is something for bullies who have something to compensate for and only dare to pick on the smallest, weakest boy in kindergarten.


Yes, it's against the rules, stop thinking up stupid reasons why it wouldn't be.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Ayvonne Corlinn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-02-12 16:45:19 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
Ayvonne Corlinn wrote:
Whitehound wrote:
We might as well accuse CONCORD for baiting. Or where is the difference here:

1) Player locks onto and shoots at a blinking yellow space ship, and gets killed.

2) Player locks onto and shoots at a CONCORD ship, and gets killed.

I would have thought a 4-year-old player could see the MASSIVE difference:

1) Legal target - can be engaged by anyone.

2) Illegal target that can't be engaged without deliberately setting the security button to make it possible.

It does not make a difference when you want to label one of them as baiting and the other not. In both cases do you deliberately engage the target. You shoot at it.
It is the target's intentions which are in question here, not the shooter's.

Whitehound wrote:
Can baiting includes labelling something as free and the word "free" comes with many meanings, like something being free of pain, free of charge or cost, free of consequence, and so on. Therefore labelling a can as having "free stuff" and to trick the player into stealing and becoming a legal target to another player is considered as baiting. It is the fact that something gets labelled falsely and thus shall be condemned, if done purposely or not does not even matter, because it is misleading the new player.
Afaik, the definition of can-baiting has no connection whatsoever with how the can is labelled. The fact that it could include misleading labelling is irrelevant.

Whitehound wrote:
You then want to condemn the presence of suspect flagged players from rookie systems, because somehow you believe that shooting others shall be free of consequence.
Nope. I don't see that proposal anywhere in this thread.
Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#43 - 2013-02-12 18:01:30 UTC
There is a certain system where I will suspect bait, looking for the daring older players. On occasion, I do get rookies who think "Oh my!!! A flashy! F1-8!!!!" Generally their shots just ping against my shields. A proper response to these situations, if it happens to be in a rookie system, is to just warn them off.

If they persist, I generally will put them into armor (or structure if they continue to be persistent) and then let them leave. Shooting to kill a rookie is dumb and pointless. Usually I then get conversations about "How cool was that?!" where I also get to give them pointers on how to proceed into a PVP career.

Sometimes though, that rookie shooting will spark an older player to aggress and in which case I just ignore the rookie outright and go for the guy who thought he was going to get an easy kill. Works rather well actually.

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