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Elisheva Cohane
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-02-12 11:10:59 UTC
I have the dream of living in a WH (laugh if you must) and would like to get my skill plan going before I make that jump (no pun intended). Currently, my skills are mostly Minmatar (ships, guns, shield, armor, scanning and yes, mining). I have done some research, watched most youtube vids i could get my hands on, and I think I would want to get started in a C2 to C4 (with a corp, yet to be determined).

So, the question is, which ships should I train for primarily? Can I stay Minmatar or will I have to cross train (if so, into which race)? I would assume a Cruiser / BC would be my initial ship, later (much) a T3? If at all possible, a sample fit would be awesome. I know that getting blown up is quite likely, so if possible keep the suggestions affordable Big smile All your helpful hints are much appreciated.

Thank you,

Elisheva
Cotic
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-02-12 11:29:35 UTC
E-UNI's work fair sub-forum has quite a few WH corps recruiting, from there you can see what ships are preferred. There should also be links for recommended skill plans etc.
There's quite a decent bit of info in their WH sub-forum.
Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-02-12 11:31:03 UTC
your first ship should be cheetah :)

And Loki is a very solid choice. Very versatile and can do it all: shield, armor, pve, pvp.
Sushi Nardieu
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-02-12 11:39:29 UTC
Specialize.

Fly 2-3 ships as well as you can. (In terms of PvP)

Here are some useful specializations:

Armour or shield logistics ( Pairing ships require 2 duh!)
ECM Bird (Tengus, Falcons, ) You will be primaried Blink
DPS T3 or Commandship (Need CSV to match a T3V in terms of DPS/Range)
Neuting battleship (rokh, bhaalgorn, abaddon)

How does specializing help?

1) Focused implants
2) Player skill. Noob --> Experienced --> PvP Risk Management God
3) Bests skills produces best results.

With small numbers in W-space, try not to pick ships that have a smaller force multiplier. Try to think about what this means over time.

The Guns of Knowledge 

Elisheva Cohane
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-02-12 12:13:19 UTC
Great advise so far! Thank you! T2 scanning frig is my next ship, then...?
vonDuck
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
#6 - 2013-02-12 14:15:56 UTC
Why a wormhole?
Elisheva Cohane
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-02-12 14:19:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Elisheva Cohane
vonDuck wrote:
Why a wormhole?


Well, I have read up on Null also, and two things bothered me:

Long supply chains (a WH with a HS static will have access to a trade hub easily)

Politics. It seems in Null much revolves around politics and larger blob type warfare. From the videops (props E-uni) I have seen so far, WH life is more about smaller, more tight knit groups, which appeals to me.


Off course, I won't know until I try it.


Eli
Cheesy Feet
The Hells Bells Club
#8 - 2013-02-12 15:02:36 UTC
vonDuck wrote:
Why a wormhole?


Do you live in a WH?

If you do then you shouldn't need to ask Shocked
Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
#9 - 2013-02-13 06:20:39 UTC
vonDuck wrote:
Why a wormhole?

Because K-space is Unsafe :p
I'm so glad about the green button, else I would have lost billions to Concord.

Though, I do agree with Sushi Nardieu, Specialize, the only best way to help you, your corp and the Alliance in wh-space with providing best of the best!. Scanners are always needed, Logi's are always welcome, support (Webs~points~neuts) are always handy and the DPS, well, it's a automatic something that comes along.

.EC.. of [TOHA], Industrialists with guns. We're overe there, some where and no where... Contacting go through ingame convo's .EC.. and [TOHA] are recruiting, get in contact with us

Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-02-13 09:47:01 UTC
Elisheva Cohane wrote:
Great advise so far! Thank you! T2 scanning frig is my next ship, then...?


for sure. a Cheetah is a great ship and you will definitely need it to live in a wormhole. Minmatar ships are great and I wouldn't worry about cross training anytime soon. Hurricane is good for a c2, eventually train for a Loki. Scimitar wouldn't be a bad ship either if the corp runs shield fleets. Best of luck, I hope you make the jump into wormhole space Smile
Elisheva Cohane
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-02-13 11:26:31 UTC
Well, training up for the T2 scanning frig now. Once I have that and cloaking 4, I will look for a corp ; )

Thank you all again for the good advise!

Eli
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-02-13 14:46:06 UTC
Elisheva Cohane wrote:
I have the dream of living in a WH (laugh if you must) and would like to get my skill plan going before I make that jump (no pun intended). Currently, my skills are mostly Minmatar (ships, guns, shield, armor, scanning and yes, mining). I have done some research, watched most youtube vids i could get my hands on, and I think I would want to get started in a C2 to C4 (with a corp, yet to be determined).

So, the question is, which ships should I train for primarily? Can I stay Minmatar or will I have to cross train (if so, into which race)? I would assume a Cruiser / BC would be my initial ship, later (much) a T3? If at all possible, a sample fit would be awesome. I know that getting blown up is quite likely, so if possible keep the suggestions affordable Big smile All your helpful hints are much appreciated.

Thank you,

Elisheva


Do you want the idealist's ships you should train for or the professional's ships you should train for?

The professional, being objective, knows that a c2 -> c4 is ideal for the Tengu where farming is concerned. With as few as 2 tengus you can make 200mil/hour/pilot once you get your sleeper farming tweaked.

The idealist, being partial, knows that his/her race's ships might not be the best but, if they just stick with it spending many months training all those level 5 skills going for the bigger and bigger guns, one day it'll all be worth it. But, it won't. I did this with Gallente, don't do it with Minmatar. Sure, it'll make you a badass Minmatar pilot like I'm a badass Gallente pilot but, it doesn't really do anything for my wallet unless I can get 2 other players for a remote rep Domi circle jerk. But then, they have crap drone skills making it not even worth it.

See, with average skill tengu pilots you can make that 200mil/hour. But for all the other races' ships you'll need very high skills plus additional pilots to make it work for you. It'll never be a situation where you can log on and just go farm. No you'll have to log on, wait for enough of the right kind of people to be on, herd them like cats and finally after 2 - 3hours of wasted time, go farm.

I have 3 toons. 2 are tengu pilots. 1 is a dedicated prober/industrialist. Assuming I don't have to roll holes to find c4 sites to farm it takes me about 30 minutes of setup, checking the system for open wh's and getting the lay of the land before committing myself to the voids of the C4. Then I'm farming until 1) I've had enough or 2) someone rains on my parade and I have to bolt.

The advantage is I am able to fly caldari fairly skillfully and Gallente. It's just not a bad idea to cross train racials. You get more advantage out of it.

Don't ban me, bro!

Elisheva Cohane
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-02-14 19:30:41 UTC
Well, other than training for a Tengu (which I REALLY want to avoid), what is the consensus, for WH life, Loki (which would be good, as I am Minmatar), or Proteus (not too bad to train up, and i already have gunnery skills)?

Thank you,

Eli
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#14 - 2013-02-15 00:15:55 UTC
I have good results in Class 1-2 WH's in simple T2 fitted Minmatar T1 BC's with some buddies. Artillery works great, a sensor booster with range scripts also works wonders, as you close in you can change to a sig radius script. I find the most important ability to live anywhere is the one to refit at a POS, so get to know how POSes work. There is no reason to crosstrain if you would rather not, I find that the only reason I did was to 'know my enemy' and actually get some experience in other race's ships. Minmatar ships may be 'skill-intensive' and 'require effort' to fly efficiently, I find them more fun then the typical F1 farming ships. Every time Eve reminds me it's real and I get into a fight I didn't really ask for, I'd rather be in a Minmatar ship and perform well then being in a Drake and having an optimal efficiency potential. Big smile
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-02-15 04:12:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Mr Kidd wrote:
Elisheva Cohane wrote:
I have the dream of living in a WH (laugh if you must) and would like to get my skill plan going before I make that jump (no pun intended). Currently, my skills are mostly Minmatar (ships, guns, shield, armor, scanning and yes, mining). I have done some research, watched most youtube vids i could get my hands on, and I think I would want to get started in a C2 to C4 (with a corp, yet to be determined).

So, the question is, which ships should I train for primarily? Can I stay Minmatar or will I have to cross train (if so, into which race)? I would assume a Cruiser / BC would be my initial ship, later (much) a T3? If at all possible, a sample fit would be awesome. I know that getting blown up is quite likely, so if possible keep the suggestions affordable Big smile All your helpful hints are much appreciated.

Thank you,

Elisheva


Do you want the idealist's ships you should train for or the professional's ships you should train for?

The professional, being objective, knows that a c2 -> c4 is ideal for the Tengu where farming is concerned. With as few as 2 tengus you can make 200mil/hour/pilot once you get your sleeper farming tweaked.

The idealist, being partial, knows that his/her race's ships might not be the best but, if they just stick with it spending many months training all those level 5 skills going for the bigger and bigger guns, one day it'll all be worth it. But, it won't. I did this with Gallente, don't do it with Minmatar. Sure, it'll make you a badass Minmatar pilot like I'm a badass Gallente pilot but, it doesn't really do anything for my wallet unless I can get 2 other players for a remote rep Domi circle jerk. But then, they have crap drone skills making it not even worth it.

See, with average skill tengu pilots you can make that 200mil/hour. But for all the other races' ships you'll need very high skills plus additional pilots to make it work for you. It'll never be a situation where you can log on and just go farm. No you'll have to log on, wait for enough of the right kind of people to be on, herd them like cats and finally after 2 - 3hours of wasted time, go farm.

I have 3 toons. 2 are tengu pilots. 1 is a dedicated prober/industrialist. Assuming I don't have to roll holes to find c4 sites to farm it takes me about 30 minutes of setup, checking the system for open wh's and getting the lay of the land before committing myself to the voids of the C4. Then I'm farming until 1) I've had enough or 2) someone rains on my parade and I have to bolt.

The advantage is I am able to fly caldari fairly skillfully and Gallente. It's just not a bad idea to cross train racials. You get more advantage out of it.

*Laughs* Apparently someone didn't get the HML-nerf memo. I haven't seen a plexing Tengu in one of our fleets for what, several months now?
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-02-15 04:48:07 UTC
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Elisheva Cohane wrote:
I have the dream of living in a WH (laugh if you must) and would like to get my skill plan going before I make that jump (no pun intended). Currently, my skills are mostly Minmatar (ships, guns, shield, armor, scanning and yes, mining). I have done some research, watched most youtube vids i could get my hands on, and I think I would want to get started in a C2 to C4 (with a corp, yet to be determined).

So, the question is, which ships should I train for primarily? Can I stay Minmatar or will I have to cross train (if so, into which race)? I would assume a Cruiser / BC would be my initial ship, later (much) a T3? If at all possible, a sample fit would be awesome. I know that getting blown up is quite likely, so if possible keep the suggestions affordable Big smile All your helpful hints are much appreciated.

Thank you,

Elisheva


Do you want the idealist's ships you should train for or the professional's ships you should train for?

The professional, being objective, knows that a c2 -> c4 is ideal for the Tengu where farming is concerned. With as few as 2 tengus you can make 200mil/hour/pilot once you get your sleeper farming tweaked.

The idealist, being partial, knows that his/her race's ships might not be the best but, if they just stick with it spending many months training all those level 5 skills going for the bigger and bigger guns, one day it'll all be worth it. But, it won't. I did this with Gallente, don't do it with Minmatar. Sure, it'll make you a badass Minmatar pilot like I'm a badass Gallente pilot but, it doesn't really do anything for my wallet unless I can get 2 other players for a remote rep Domi circle jerk. But then, they have crap drone skills making it not even worth it.

See, with average skill tengu pilots you can make that 200mil/hour. But for all the other races' ships you'll need very high skills plus additional pilots to make it work for you. It'll never be a situation where you can log on and just go farm. No you'll have to log on, wait for enough of the right kind of people to be on, herd them like cats and finally after 2 - 3hours of wasted time, go farm.

I have 3 toons. 2 are tengu pilots. 1 is a dedicated prober/industrialist. Assuming I don't have to roll holes to find c4 sites to farm it takes me about 30 minutes of setup, checking the system for open wh's and getting the lay of the land before committing myself to the voids of the C4. Then I'm farming until 1) I've had enough or 2) someone rains on my parade and I have to bolt.

The advantage is I am able to fly caldari fairly skillfully and Gallente. It's just not a bad idea to cross train racials. You get more advantage out of it.

*Laughs* Apparently someone didn't get the HML-nerf memo. I haven't seen a plexing Tengu in one of our fleets for what, several months now?


That's strange you say that. The nerf added only one minute per anom to my 2 tengus farming C4's. Don't know what you're crew is doing but, seriously, it's a non-issue. Either your skills aren't where they need to be or, dare I ask, do you even fly a tengu? Even with drastically reduced range the fit is flexible enough to fit an AB. After the webbing frigates are done just burn 10KM to get in range of your next target. It's not that hard.

Don't ban me, bro!

Euthanasia Anneto
Embers Children
#17 - 2013-02-15 06:42:20 UTC
Elisheva Cohane wrote:
Well, other than training for a Tengu (which I REALLY want to avoid), what is the consensus, for WH life, Loki (which would be good, as I am Minmatar), or Proteus (not too bad to train up, and i already have gunnery skills)?

Thank you,

Eli

Loki's & Proteus works nice in WH-space as long you have a wingman in a Tengu. The difference is the many times to burn towards some targets to get in range in order to do job, which is applying the DPS.

.EC.. of [TOHA], Industrialists with guns. We're overe there, some where and no where... Contacting go through ingame convo's .EC.. and [TOHA] are recruiting, get in contact with us

Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-02-15 10:02:35 UTC
Elisheva Cohane wrote:
Well, other than training for a Tengu (which I REALLY want to avoid), what is the consensus, for WH life, Loki (which would be good, as I am Minmatar), or Proteus (not too bad to train up, and i already have gunnery skills)?

Thank you,

Eli

It all comes down to this: do you intend to just farm and carebar in wspace? or do you intend to become a true wh-dweller with all its pvp pleasures?
Elisheva Cohane
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2013-02-15 14:04:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Elisheva Cohane
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Elisheva Cohane wrote:
Well, other than training for a Tengu (which I REALLY want to avoid), what is the consensus, for WH life, Loki (which would be good, as I am Minmatar), or Proteus (not too bad to train up, and i already have gunnery skills)?

Thank you,

Eli

It all comes down to this: do you intend to just farm and carebar in wspace? or do you intend to become a true wh-dweller with all its pvp pleasures?


I want to make isk, so I can buy shiny ships, so I can use the shiny ships in pew vee pew : ). ISK is a means to an end.

Basically, I want enough to not care too much if something goes kabooom. But pvp is what I have enjoyed in other games. The thrill of the hunt, the sweaty palms in the face of danger and the rush of victory, that is what I am looking forward to.


Eli.
Hayley Erquilenne
My Heart Will Go On
#20 - 2013-02-15 14:15:25 UTC
dont suck at eve, and youll do fine.
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