Warfare & Tactics

Dread Operative, XG, Crosi Wesdo, I could go on just read the thread about "gallente got thier medal." See all of them try to brush off the fact that 4xs as many plexes are captured per kill as there was in 2009. The denial is pretty much laughable.

All of them are arguing what a great system it is, and trying to argue against measures (such as notifications, end to station lock outs, or at least end lp for defensive plexing) which would make the game involve pvp. No they want to have their alts sit in their home system's plexes where the enemy doesn't even know they are there and can't even dock, and then beat their chest on the forums, about how "dominant" they are.

Of course they won't actually say they want farmville. But they fill every thread that contains ideas to end the farmville with their bad arguments to reject those changes.

They are and always were quite happy with the farmville fw sov is now. Just read the thread.

I'm still new to the whole FW thing, but surely if enemies are constantly cloaking/running away whenever you move into a Plex, your own forces will come out ahead? Eventually they'll have to either fight or abandon the whole business for something safer.

So its a manpower problem of not being able to police your own space?

This is largely it, however, there is also the current issue of until you hit full saturation, the farmer is more efficient at plexing than the pvper. Consider this scenario:

A farmer is in a plex, happily orbiting away with stabs or just watching the scanner closely. A pvper comes into the plex and the farmer instantly warps away - if the pvper chases the farmer, the farmer loses no progress on the plex and can keep running to different plexes until the pvper gets bored. If the pvper runs the button, he is just as effective as the farmer.

The solution suggested, which is in CCPs backlog, is that if no-one is running a button, it counts down to its starting state. This way, if a farmer is chased out of a plex, and a pvper keeps chasing a farmers, the farmers work is undone while the pvper is trying to get a kill. This makes a pvper who is willing to fight for a plex, and chase farmers out of plexes have more influence of the sov war than a stabbed farmer.

Seems sensible. Ticking back towards a default state when there's no one there is quite often used in proximity based capture systems for just this reason.

AND in waids mutnin with more tinfoil hattery when the conversation gets back on topic and starts reading ok again.

herea my 2 isks worth

1. I for one love station lockouts it gives meaning and does promote pvp for "staging/home" systems and gives concequences for not defending them otherwise the warzone would just roll one way or the other with noone giving a fk. So for me these are a keeper.

2. Rollback timers would be awsome im all for these, for the obvious reasons stated above.

3. The plexes should spawn a few more rats yes but not to the degree were they cant be solod this would have an adverse effect on the genuine noob trying to make his way in fw and even feeling like hes contributing. If u need a small fleet thats bad as noobs dont get into many fleets 90% are called spais from the first day they join. (weve all been there)

4. I would also like to see the i hub in system being able to be upgraded to having more Hp this way important systems can be kinda reinforced at the cost of lp which would be a sink and also give the defenders more chance of forming a defensive fleet and calling other corps / alliances in that dont live close by and hey if there willing to sink lps in they really want that system right?

well i am expecting more ... OMS and Prism has fallen ... I guess some people in CCP are ringing bells of fastforward ;)

Are you still banging this gong?

You are literally a worse troll than Squirreldog.

Yes inablility to police the space is the problem. Its sort of a cycle. Few people want to spend their free time roaming around chasing after people who are just farming or farming themselves. Yet the mechanics make it so that this is how faction war is won. So even fewer play the sov game. This was really the same problem with sov before the recent changes. By simply adding lp but not adding mechanics to help pvpers police the space ccp made the farming worse.

Its pretty obvious that mechanics that would help us police the farmers (like a notification system where plexes are being run) would be a huge step forward. But allot of the people posting in these threads are running the farm alts themselves so bash the idea with bad arguments like:

"Its too much information my head will explode" Of course ccp could just allow some filters, such as telling us where plexes are being run within a X number of jumps.

or

"we already know where the farmers are" Of course they don't. There are 171 systems between the 2 wars. No one knows where the farmers are.

The above arguments are made and shot down repeatedly and we end up with the real reason they do not like the idea: "I like orbiting buttons with my alts. It makes me feel like a winner."


But whatever, the refusal to think how the mechanics will effect whether plexes are farmed or fought over has lead to the current situation.

I will say ccp did a good thing with the npcs. They used to be an additional hurdle to pvp.

omg are u still banging on about notifications.. its never going to happen there finished with fw now and to make the notification system work would take to much of there time and its a dumb idea. the only thing that they can do is give us the timer rollback this would just be a simple reverse to already existing code. u say we are against things that will stop farming everyone is saying give us the roll back bt fk notifications