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If i currently have a dedicated alt trained to fly carrier/mothership will I get battleship level 5 reimbursed?

Well, not "no matter what". I have an alt that just trained to carrier. The alt has essentially no gunnery skills and poor missile skills, as they are purely a carrier pilot. Caldari Battleship 5 does nothing for them other than let them train Carrier 1.

Yep. Which is weird as specialization is the only way to be remotely competitive with the 'vets'. Or so I heard. I got leadership skills, so to help my corpmates I learned to fly an Orca. Never laid my hands on innocent 'roids. Now I am stuck with the very useful Mining Barge 5 - which would be irrelevant for the Orca after the changes. As I said before - in EVE, time is money. I paid for that skill, literally. GIVE IT BACK.

You are an... not so wise person. You dont understand your luck!
NOW YOU CAN CROSS-TRAIN CARRIERS IN A WINK!

Just imagine!

A brand new world...
__Where everyone
____Can fly
______A carrier
________Being a flavor of the month!

No need to plan ahead~
No need to bother with fleet doctrines~
The choice was difficult. Now it's not.
Relax. Take a deep breath. And step into the universe of tedium.

You are an ... not so wise person. You don't understand the power of BS levels IV and V getting reimbursed for two races in addition to "NOW YOU CAN CROSS-TRAIN CARRIERS IN A WINK!"

So does this mean the same for sub-titans like people already able to use freighters? They will require advanced ship command 5; so, what happens when you can fly a freighter now with say ASC lvl 4? You are able to keep flying it without training the skill to lvl 5?

I had this question before when losing skill points in a specific skill that is requirement for other skills; i got podded last week and got my answer to that question by losing 250k SP in cruise missiles. Until I trained cruise missiles to lvl 5 again, i wasnt able to use the cruise missile specialization already injected.

Also, since you are increasing the training time for the freighter without giving any improvements on it, how about reducing its signature, give it 1 high slot for a prototype cloak, or give it some kind of slots for tactics. Make a tech II version of it at least OTHER THAN A NOMAD, one that cant jump but CAN haul a **** load , keeping the same slow warp speed and align time BUT giving it ability to cloak, low signature to make lock times of other ship within seconds of the same time it takes to align and warp (45 seconds currently with my skills).

Give it some kind of improvement over standard freighter to where it can go through low "safely" but NOT made for null (not able to jump). With a warp speed of 0.8 not like someone cant figure out what gate its in warp and intercept it before it even lands :)

Why oh Why did i bother training comandships 5?? .. 1`st ccp releases t3 boosts wich allow any nub and his dog to give better boosts... but now .. I HAVE TO TRAIN IT AGAIN?? all very well ccp pandering to the whining noobs who want to be equal(or better than) vet players but sureley this `rebalancing` is going to far.. many t2 ships are virtualy obsolete as their t1 counterparts are almost as good for fraction of the cost (eg legion/ augoror) and skills seem more irrelevant than ever.. thanks for looking after the vets again ccp... good to know our loyalty is valued..

If by "use it" you mean "load tech II missiles into my Cruise Missile Launcher II," then there is nothing surprising about that. Check the skill requirements for Scourge Cruise Missile II: the item requires Cruise Missile Launcher V. The launcher itself only requires Cruise Missile Spec I and Missile Launcher Operation I, so you could fit the launchers without having CM V. But you can't load the (tech II) ammo until you have it.

What they said will happen, and what is actual behavior in the game, is that if you have the top level required skills trained, then you can sit in the hull or use the item regardless of if you have the prerequisites trained or not. They also said that if a skill is injected, you can train it, regardless of whether you could inject it again or not, based on the prereqs.

Thank you for your opinion, I wish you yourself were more constructive and less insultive. But to my point:

Many players are not happy with not getting skillpoints reimbursed, because they skilled something for the sole reason to fly other stuff. Now CCP changes 'something' into completely different skills, and thus making the skillpoints spent completely obsolete. In my eyes your comparison does not fit the situation.

It is more like you buy an Iphone 5 for 800$, because it is the only phone you can have an all-net-flat with. But then Apple releases an Iphone 6 - more usefull, same look, same price, also capable to have an all-net-flat with - and then REMOVES the capability of your Iphone 5 to have an all-net-flat with, if you don't have it activated yet. Also law forbids you to sell your Iphone 5 so that you can buy an Iphone 6 instead. So if you want the new - more usefull - functions you have to pay additional 800$ to get them.




To your first question: CCP is going to change it so you can train a skill as long as you have the skillboook injected. Also a previous post explains why you would not be able to use T2 missiles even after the change.

To your other thoughs: If I recall correctly the skill you now need is Adv. Spaceship Command to level 5 instead of 1 and the racial industrial skill to 3 instead of 5. That makes a difference of around 6 days. But since most players train a character dedicated to fly the freighter and nothing else, most players gain having trained a usefull skill instead of one they will never make use of with that character. For me this is not a loss.
I think your other ideas exceed the scope of this topic and are not conductive to the goal of that thread.



I disagree regarding your opinion that T2 ships are less usefull. The Guardian (is what you meant liam?) has much more rep output that the Augoror. And nothing beats the ability to fit a CovOps Cloak, for intel farming. Yes, you can do it with the t1 version, but that makes your live much harder.
Regarding Command Ships, CCP is already in the process of changing those. They will have the same boost bonus, need to be ON grid, be bonused for two different boosts and are intended to be also usefull on grid. Additionally T3 get their bonus nerfed, although needing to be ON grid pretty much makes most fits obsolete anyway. At least that is my last info on that topic.

Liam, you will not need to train anything twice. You do not even bother to train the new prereqs, if you already have command ships injected.

I personaly have the opinion CCP should just reset skillpoints and leave the amount where it is on patchday (since not only the battlecruiser stuff, but basicly all prereqs change directly or consequentially). So that you have the same SP before and after.

But even if they do that, or even just what you proposed, I doubt that changes anything about your concerns of everybody flying battlecruisers. In my eyes, the ship rebalancing departement is the right way to go to. The changes to the skill requirements have more of a longterm perspective to help players to fit into fleet doctrines or specialise in general.
The way to go here in my view, is to try and change fleet doctrines (eg. make bs more usefull, or nerf bc) instead of preventing players to use battlecruisers.