Warfare & Tactics

couldn't have said it better,

bring the fight... AFK warfare why people are staying out of null

thats not a realistic counter for building industry... once you have industry 1 every cyno camper in the region is in your system!

thats the problem, this is the mechanic is keeping people out of null... and yes the entire system sucks, maybe local can be modified to give agressors an edge for surprise attacks

but camping for months / years?

just plain wrong!

Local is not the issue, and the AFK cloaky campers just make that point in every AFK thread that there is, its to change the subject away from their inability to actually kill anyone. The only change I would make is that they show in local when they actually are in system. At the moment they show in local and there is a delay before they are in system and can warp.

In terms of the people camping your system, have a good look at them, when did they change corps, when did they get on kills etc., with that you may be able to work out when they are actually active. Try to link them to hot droppers, it is important to find out who is their muscle and if you have that you should be able to work out when they are active.

Part of the battle is to continue to operate regardless, just go and buy about 10 Ventures and mine in system, wouldn't that be better then moaning about it? You mine low level ore in High Sec and high level ores in 0.0, use Ventures and industrials to grab the ore and annoy the hell out of them. So you lose a couple of cheap ships, so what!!!!

Wey'oun is spot on, he is the type that I have respect for, they don't whine about local, they know the weakness of local based intel they have the skills to get you and don't need to have it made easy like the gank bears with delayed local, to be blunt it will be an honor to get taken out by this type of player, not those that want it so easy that they need a 30 second delay on local to get on you.

Thats a laugh, me weeping, you're reading and comprehension skills need some work on them, it was the OP who was weeping! I have operated with cloaky "AFK" campers in system, its all a matter of risk...

There was a time when systems didn't have upgrades. There was a time when miners had to work in belts, and ratting was done in belts. The lack of concentrated risk opportunities spread out null bears and allowed bear hunters plenty of opportunity to catch targets in many systems. Now bears ball up in dead end constellations, rat and mine in plexes, and enjoy a level of income and security unimaginable a few years ago.

So remove I hubs. Remove plex spam. Drive bears back to the belts where awoxing and afking aren't the only hunting methods and all your problems will be solved! Start the petition!

I've contacted the relevent authorities to help you out.


Seriously, I didn't know that Native freshfood held SOV.

There are plenty of good corps and alliances that actually deal with AFK cloakers without running and hiding. And when they are successfull the AFK cloakers move to another area with easier targets.

Yes, what business does anyone have starting a fight in null sec? And hot dropping a ratter? Well that is just not fair!!

/sarcasm off

WTF Dude, you are in Null. Null is no-mans land. it is not safe. OMG there is an AFK cloaker in system, there is a slight chance you will lose your ratting ship. The benefits of living in null are off set by the risks. "Do not fly what you can not afford to lose". Everyone says it, but very few actually understand it.

If you are flying a ship you can afford to lose, then you CAN afford to lose it. What this means is if you get caught and killed, it does not really matter as the loss is not a big deal.

When there is an AFK cloaker in your system, yes there is a chance they will jump you, there is a chance they may have a cyno to hot drop you, there is even a chance they might successfully kill you if they time it right.

If a small chance of getting killed is enough to keep you from undocking, then you must be undocking in a ship you can not afford to lose. If you could afford to lose it then the small risk presented by an afk cloakers would be out weighted by the benefits of what you would gain while ratting.

When I lived in Null I mined with unknowns and even red afkers in local, sure I lost a few ships, but mostly they were actually afk and I mined in peace. I never lost a ratting ship. The mining ships I did lose did not stop me from mining. It is null sec, you need to accept that you will lose the occasional ship, or pack up and go back to high sec. Even in high sec you are not 100% safe from getting ganked, in fact far from it. In null sec you will lose ships, that is a fact of null sec life. Deal with it and carry on despite the risks. Other wise you do not have what it takes to make it in null sec.

Besides, any ship that can jump to that cyno is worth far more than your ratting ship. The best deterrent is to bait them a few times. get them to hot drop you, then have a friendly fleet ready to jump in and catch the caps they just hot dropped. If they lose a cap fleet hot dropping a ratter, they will think twice about making the same mistake again. Just remember they are taking a bigger risk than you are. There is nothing stopping your corp from having a AFK cyno ship in your own ratting system to counter any hot dropped fleet that comes after anyone there ratting.

nobody who is afraid of PVP has any business living in NULL. In PVP there is always someone on the losing side. You need to accept that sometimes it will be you.

"AFK warfare" us undeed a serious issue and a severe threat.

But be carefull to don't understimate the "offline warfare". This people can be far more disruptive.

Ponder about this: you can't see them, they're not in local, they're not even logged in EVE. Maybe they're at work or at school, or with their girlfriend, or simply sleeping. But they're somewhere outside, in the world, plotting against your ships.

How can you guys continue playing serenily with this impending danger?