Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This may be fun for you. It's not for the ratter. You are in essence stealing his fun so long as this remains the state of 'play'. Ask instead for PVE and PVP fits to be brought closer together, and some form of Aggro management so you can shed the aggro you do pick up.

The ratter does not want to have to safe up just because you appeared. Most of them would much, much rather fight it out, if such were possible. You are approaching this as if the ratter gets something out of hiding until you leave. He does not. All he gets is an annoyance in which he has zero options for dealing with and being able to continue with his own gameplay at the same time. Dock up and come out in a PvP fit ship, most of the PvPrs run for the hills--- for a little bit, then they come back to see if you switched back to your PvE activities.

Doing PvE in a ship built for PvP is at best an excercise in boredom. Usually it's a death sentence. Useless mods take up space, many fits have no local tank, and all important cap stability is almost unheard of in that fitting style. There is very little middle ground, and PvE needs large changes to be compatible with PvP. There is also the issue of the ships themselves. Most PvP ships are cheap by comparison. There is also an issue with the differences in playstyle itself. Since the PvPr is driving the encounter, the PvE guy has to be vigilant at all times for an event that may not happen. It is somehow reasonable to balance an OCD like love affair with dscan and/or local for hours at a time with a guy jumping in his ship and heading out to find someone to shoot at on his own schedule.

The 2 playstyles need to be brought much closer together so that we can all have fun with our internet spaceships. Cat and Mouse is only fun for cats. It's not a victory to succeed in running away, just a lesser form of losing.

My Drake will kill your ratter Drake because I shoot EM missiles, and you are too dumb to fit against anything else than Guristas. Your T1 kinetic missiles aren't much help either.

Your "tackler" Hawk blows up after I switch to mjolnir precision. I also have correct rigs and modules, because I refuse to gimp my Tengu to have +2.225% effectiveness against Guristas.

Everything is just a variation of these 2.

That's fair, and frankly understandable. I have not gone to Null Sec in years beyond a brief daytrip, and so I don't really deal with Nullbears or their hunters too often. I disagree on the Ewar though. I'd rather see all Ewar simply made useful in some way against rats, so that there would be a reason to use those modules. Understand that I'm very unlikely to care about Ewar's uses against players--- I like PvE content and wish devoutly that EVE's was better. I'd rather all parties have a reason to make use of all the toys, instead of most of the toys being the sole purview of the PvP guys.

Null being too safe is another discussion though. I love cooperative game play, world building, and PvE type things. I would be happy if there was a way to establish NPC patrols in space I own to protect PvE activities. I'm obviously on the opposite end of the spectrum from most in this thread. That being said, I am not against PvP, or even Non-consensual PvP. I'm against sitting in a helpless ship while some asshat decides to ruin my few hours of playtime, or else ruin it myself sitting in a station watching my ship spin because some asshat is wanding around looking for someones day to ruin. If the sort of fit required to survive a mission was viable in PvP, then I would enjoy fighting to protect my mission--- but surviving against rats requires a different setup than surviving against a Player that decides to come gank me. The result is a lack of targets, because I simply don't like that kind of gameplay, and the current ruleset stacks the deck 100% against me as I find no joy in simply safespotting and frustrating someone else for a while.

Half the whining in this thread is about the difficulty of finding someone to fight with. That would be greatly allieviated if the targets could fight back with at least some likelyhood of surviving----god forbid he actually get to have fun or even be rewarded in some way meaningful to him in the encounter. The other half is pure childish emoting about not having everything handed to them on a silver platter as if I was an NPC created to die for their enjoyment.

But I mean if CCP wanted to make interactions between PvEers and PvPers more common and fair, all they'd have to do would be to sprinkle anoms with tackling frigates (there aren't ANY kinds of frigate in Forsaken Hubs, which are by far the most popular site for this reason) and reduce the number of rats in each wave to the point where ratters don't need to fit some highly-specialized, rat-specific tank.

If anoms had tackling frigates and 2-3 battleships per wave then PvEers could PvE in a PvP-fit ship with few problems, and noone would care which player the rats aggroed (or both) since their dps would be pretty negligible.

Hell, it would make it easy for new players to rat too.

Be a trooper and fight pvp boats on gates. But wait, you won't engage unless it's risk free...

So if I read the OP correctly, you want to change how npcs aggro because you made an ill informed decision when choosing to engage in pvp... Is that really what all these pages are about? I lost one of my first merlins in EVE to a gate camp being supported by an Archon or Aeon(I was so newbie back then I couldn't differentiate the two), but you don't see me creating a thread saying carriers need to be nerfed because it's too hard to travel in lowsec.

This thread seems to be based on a whine about some Arazu that bit off more than his little sensor dampners could chew.

Who are the "players?" And who whined? I mean, warned...

This aggro is how it's supposed to be, and if you're mad, it's working as intended.

What I find completely unacceptable is that sleepers will even shoot salvage drones. Heartless bastards, what did my poor salvage drones ever done to you??

.... Because that's their only real option. Obviously, things are as they currently stand. If things were different, they would behave differently. They have little to no chance in a PvE boat, are they NPC's to just sit there and die because you want them too? So they dock up as soon as a hostile appears to cut their losses. That isn't gameplay, that's just stupid. As far as most bears are concerened you 'won' the moment you logged on. They don't get to do the thing in game they want to do, because they can't fight you off, and they can't do what they want to do. So the only thing left is wishing you would go away.

Funny that you would complain of a response to you that amounts to overkill. You came seeking a risk free gank on a ship already engaged with an NPC enemy fleet, and think it's unreasonable that they should form a fleet to chase you out. No one mentioned honorable space combat. I'm fine with you bushwhacking PVE boats--- I'm just pointing out that those boats might actually stay in space for you to get your game on if they were not defensless puppies awaiting your kicking.

I'm not saying that you should not be able to hunt. I'm just saying that it would be more fun for everyone involved if the people you were hunting had the option of flying ships that are not useless in PvP because of the needs of surviving against the environment. It's not a question of flying a ship that is min/maxxed out of PvP for a .2% increase in ISK/Hour. A ton of PvE takes place in T1 subcap ships that must be cap stable for long engagements and specifically tanked against the rats because Omni tank isn't survivable. PvE isn't about engaging one target for less than 2 minutes, and the builds we use reflect that.

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