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Paid name Change and Corp history removal?

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Bolsak
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#321 - 2013-01-22 18:40:13 UTC
Tom Gerard wrote:
Just pointing out that the last two posters in this thread were named:

Bolsack and The F word.

Name Changes are needed!


My toons name is actually Bolsak (Bulsak), I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, but it means mattress in Indonesian.
Nex Killer
Perkone
Caldari State
#322 - 2013-01-22 18:56:34 UTC
I would like to see paid name changes. It would be a good income for CCP plus I bet it would make a lot of the player base happy. Now I know some people don't want this to happen because what if John Doe stole 100B ISK from his last corporation changes his name and joins a new corporation to just do it again because no one knows who he is. Now no one wants something like this to happen but I think CCP could do something to see the past records of the player.

Now I've played a lot of other MMOs in my time and I've seen many ways other companies handle name changes. They could do something that Aion does when it comes to a name change. When someone changes their name in Aion there is no way of seeing what their last name was in game but if you go onto the website to the Shadow Court Archives you can look up their name and it tells you their previous name. Here is what they say about it:

Quote:

How will my friends know that I've changed my character name?
Each character name change is tracked and displayed in the Shadow Court Archives and updated on your friends' lists. In this way, everyone is able to see the change in game and out of game.


Or CCP could do what Jagex does with Runescape. When a player changes their name if you hover a players name in your friends list it tells you their previous name. Now that only works for a month then you can't hover over the names to get the previous name.

Quote:

Changing your character name is one of the many ways you can customise your account and make it stand out from the crowd.

You can change your character name every 28 days; we recommend that you take a look at our guidelines on inappropriate language before you make any changes.


Now if I was CCP I would do one of two things. I would make a new tab in the player info that shows all previous names or I would make a new money sink. If you want a players past info you would have to paid for the info. All name changes would be on a month cooldown and cost about 2 plex or $20.


Now for corporation history removal that is a totally different subject. I would say make it like name changes have a new tab in player info that shows it or make players have to pay for that info. But I really don't know about that and what the cost for it should be. I would say make it cost a lot something like $70 - $100.

TL:DR version: Just read it...
Kenneth O'Hara
Sebiestor Tribe
#323 - 2013-01-22 18:58:39 UTC
I still say we should have a skill set for "Forgery" to create and detect character's previous name and history. If you didn't invest time into the skills, you deserved to get robbed. If you didn't invest time into the skills, you deserved to get caught. Plain and simple.

Bring Saede Riordan back!! Never Forget! _"__Operation Godzilla Smacks Zeus"  ~__Graygor _

D'go Jahn
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#324 - 2013-02-11 22:19:44 UTC
This thread has seen a half-dozen quality methods of reducing or eliminating the downsides of name changing.

Corporation history and other things aside. Name changing would be simple and quick to implement and you could do it in a way that would prohibit abuse. After reviewing this thread, there's no intelligent reason not to have this option.

Also, to all the condescendingly paternal tough-guy asshats. Thank you for telling us to live with our consequences. Your saged fatherly advice has changed our hearts and caused us to reassess how we choose to live as fictional videogame characters. Your input on this forum and in this thread is anything but a total joke and you should continue posting your opinions for our betterment.
Reiisha
#325 - 2013-02-11 22:24:23 UTC
ISD Praetoxx wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names/corps should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement.

Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!

Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.


To be honest, if you want to make your own history, make a new character. If you buy a character you should be ready to deal with the possible consequences, that includes dealing with any history.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#326 - 2013-02-11 23:54:50 UTC
I have always assumed that these names we have are not so much names as aliases or call signs. If you change your name you should have all other aliases or call signs listed on show info.

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Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#327 - 2013-02-11 23:58:03 UTC
Is it time to take this to the assembly hall?

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Aren Madigan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#328 - 2013-02-12 00:09:02 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
To be honest, if you want to make your own history, make a new character. If you buy a character you should be ready to deal with the possible consequences, that includes dealing with any history.


In a way, but at the same time it could almost turn the character bazaar into a sort of roundabout scam. I mean, part of it is supposed to be complete disclosure, right? So in a way, scammer could use their scam alts as training ones, scam, cheat, steal from people until everyone is out to get them and then sell it when they're ready before starting anew. So while someone will buy the character, maybe they can't do what they intend with it because of the reputation being too trashy and they happened to miss the memo. So instead of knowing what they're getting into as intended with the bazaar, they have no idea. Perhaps not against the rules of the character bazaar, but seems to be against the spirit of the rules.
Kathern Aurilen
#329 - 2013-02-12 00:53:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
Dave Stark wrote:
TriadSte wrote:
we didn't know it was set in stone when we joined this game.


O.o

really? pretty much every time you pick a name for anything, it's permanent. it's kinda the point of having names.
my XBOX LIVE name isn't permanentt... 800 Microsoft points(10$) boom new name

No cuts, no butts, no coconuts!

Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!

Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#330 - 2013-02-12 01:08:45 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile



Playing devil's advocate for a moment, many scammers in real life shed identities like snake shed their skin, and oftentimes, those shady players are selling their toons on the Character Bazaar anyways. So if someone creates a new toon every few months and goes out and scams the pants off of someone, then sells the toon after making a new one to repeat the cycle, the toon itself is not responsible for the scamming/corp theiving/etc. It's the person behind the character that counts, and until you find a way to link real identities to toons, there is no point (sometimes) to have a link to past identities because it might not even be the same player anymore. A character could go from an evil bastard to a full-on saint, and the only one who gets punished is the saint for the actions of the bastard.

Like I said, devil's advocate.

John Hancock

Kathern Aurilen
#331 - 2013-02-12 01:17:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Kathern Aurilen
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Honestly, its the one thing that's kept me from buying a character. Last thing i want is to buy a toon whose name is Fatty McSpankyPants. I think a rename/wiped corp history should only be available if you purchase a toon. After all, when you buy a character there can be a lot of negative history that's hard to know about that comes with it. I think the name change should also have a time limit of like a week. So people who buy a toon can't rack up a history and then a month later change the name


Hmm. I'll spend years being a corp thief, jumping from corp to corp scamming people for billions and stealing all their stuff, but then I have to stop because no-one will hire me. Oh wait, I don't have to do that at all, I'll just sell myself...to myself. Name change and corp history wipe, thank you that'll do nicely. Now back to doing exactly what I was doing with no repercussions at all because "I'm not the same person anymore"

And if you can't see anything wrong with the above scenario, please get out of EVE and go play solitaire.
How is that different any different than having a gank alt that gets bio massed every month or so and retrained to gank? Dose that mean when we look at a alt we should see the entire account's history of all their alts? That way I can hunt down their main money making alt and play a lil "Grudge Brothers" or "Judge Mental" with their money like they did to yours?

No cuts, no butts, no coconuts!

Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!

Kathern Aurilen
#332 - 2013-02-12 01:52:05 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
You (or the previous owner of the toon you bought) made that toon who/what it is. History matters. Realize you've been a ******* and your history is following you? Too damn bad. Either deal with it, sell the toon, or trash bin it.

Some things shouldn't have a price tag on it to sanitize it. I want to see what kind of douchebaggery you've participated in to know whether you can be trusted or not, and I don't need an API key to do it.
But the new owner didn't participate in all the "evil doing"... If we wanna see all the douchebaggery a character participated in... why no show ALL THE ALTS HISTORY??? Look at one see them all. That would show all the history of gank alts and what account they're being funded by that way a gank alt can be hurt where they live and not just gank and bio massed to hide the history, Rinse and Repeat

No cuts, no butts, no coconuts!

Forum alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew!

Katie Frost
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#333 - 2013-02-12 02:10:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Katie Frost
This argument has been going back and forth for quite a few years and likewise in this thread.

The bottom line is that there is really no logical counter-argument to implementing this feature while making previous names + corp history available by simply adding an additional tab in the character info labelled "AKA". The name change ability should be time-limited (1 per 12 months), costly (PLEX/Aur) and should also include a full re-sculpt of both gender and portrait in case the person is unhappy with their chosen toon.

There are really no con’s to this process. It is easy to implement, financially advantageous to CCP and it provides a clearly wanted service for the players. There should be no 'escaping your past’ or ‘wiping the slate clean’ as the previous names and corp affiliations remain recorded with the toon, albeit on a separate tab in the character sheet; so if purchasing a character, players should be encouraged to pay attention to the character’s corp history and do some background research. Therefore that whole ‘your reputation’ argument is settled.

It would be good to hear back from CCP on what their thoughts are on this, besides the initial post by CCP Falcon. I think this thread has run its course in terms of proposing arguments that are not recycled versions of what has been already posted.
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#334 - 2013-02-12 02:38:33 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.

I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.

Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.

I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Smile


Personally, I think when a character is transferred to another account owned by a different player it should get a name change. It's a new player behind the character so keeping the old reputation isn't a concern.
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#335 - 2013-02-12 02:58:19 UTC
This sounds suspiciously like an "idea" or an added "feature".

Thank you.
Kyrin Ravenlock
Doomheim
#336 - 2013-02-12 03:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyrin Ravenlock
Since i cant be arsed to read all 17 some pages this may have been suggested already, but since the two sides seem to be the "oh its new rl person the history is now irrelevant" and the " you bought the char deal with the history", how about a compromise? Whenever a character is sold on the bazaar, put a line in the corp history section that says "character was bought on xx/xx/xxxx" This way we keep the characters history intact yet also give those buying a character a way to explain why the characters last 12 corps were robbed to oblivion. While this does lend to the possibility of abuse(via buying your own char with a second account just to get that marker) i think its a acceptable tradeoff to at least give the new owners at least some ground to stand on when a corp looks at their history.

EDIT: on the subject of names, you can change your name irl so i dont see why we cant in game. although just like irl a record should be kept of previous names(somewhere on the char sheet)
Victor Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#337 - 2013-02-12 04:28:00 UTC
I think EVE more than most games need some concept of character renaming. Odds are that for many a good name a decade ago might not quite fit you today.

Instead of a full on character rename what about the ability to create a nickname for a character.

I might set my characters nickname to 'Vic' and in chat, space, mails etc it would show up as such. Once you inspect me however you see both the nickname and the full name in the character sheet. You get to be seen as someone else without it taking more than a click to see who you really are. You can't escape your past.

Limitations, costs, and timers are left to ccp.

As for the corp history, I think we really need a line in the corp history denoting when a character was sold. At a minimum.

What I would really like to see is the character bazzar taken in game, spiced up with a dash of lore a bit of flavor.

Stole from the wrong people? Need to disappear before they 'disappear' you? For a price it can be done, if you can get in contact with the right sort of merchant. Everything has its price, and the only question is if you can pay. Let identities become a commodity, and let people buy or sell theirs.

Dasola
New Edens Freeports
#338 - 2013-02-12 05:03:56 UTC
My personal view is game has things that need much more developer love then this...

Im not totally against name change, but you should not be able to hide your past. And even name chnage should be limited option and expensive... One name change for 2-3 years allowed and you get big fat flag on your character saying: Not original name...

Eve is game where your choises is supposed to matter, if you can eaily escape some of consequences of those choises, well... Its not eve anymore. Yes its not imbossible now days either to escape them, but you pay by having to reroll your entire charachter...

If you are corporate thief and you just stole 100 bil isk, whats one plex to escape that past? Nothing. Thats why i want name changes to be expensive, seriously. And that high price also means you actually put some thinking into good character name.

We are Minmatar, Our ship are made of scraps, but look what our scraps can do...

Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#339 - 2013-02-12 07:25:27 UTC
Name change.. on transfer only to an account with separate IP and CC#.

Corp history intrigues me.. Some of us get sucked into a corp that made the promise of uber ISK and players on at all times.. only to find out after 2 weeks that you've seen a total of 3 members online and they are all clueless trolls. It may take time for a pilot to find the right fit.

Corp history could have a 1 month probationary period where you have the option to remove within that time. After the month it is permanent. And personal 1 man corps that we have all created with eyes on dominating New Eden only to find out that you don't like the grind of recruiting after 3 days... Those too could be done away with in corp history.

If not, I guess I'll live.
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#340 - 2013-02-12 08:41:35 UTC
Take this to assembly hall please.

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.