Intergalactic Summit

I like how you make such broad, overbearing statements. It speaks volumes for your ignorance without me having to lift a single finger. Please talk more, please.

It's basically all she's good at.

In practice I would have no qualms about signing this deal, save for the clause regarding the termination of the Executor's position, which is solely a matter for the CEP.

In theory, since the position of Executor is solely justified by the current war with the Federation, it should present no great problems.

The big problem lies in that, when the people of Caldari prime rebeled... like in any revolotion not all will, and Exactly as the people of Caldari state hails back and have its roots in Caldari Prime, so have the people that dident rebel, those that stayed loyal to the federation, and its desendants that live there now...

One of the core issues here is that the Federation wont abandon its people that have equal claims to the planet, is their home world as much as the Caldari, thats why i think the only logical solotion to the system would be to share it... It is one thing to give conseasons, and allow the Caldari to resettle, and live according to their own laws... You have to remember that the federation is a Democracy in all its proes and flaws, and give up the people that been loyal to the federation, would be political suicide for the federation

I expected you to see, but you obviously dont... when a people revolt, not all will, some will stay loyal, there were people on caldari prime, that dident rebel... there is and never been a 100% revolotion, its a painfull splitting devide, where neighbours that lived peacefull suddnely are enemies !... and those that dident rebel, are as native to the planet as the Caldari of to day !

Mademoiselle Ivory.

Let me make sure I understand your proposal, your solution is to cede and entire system in the heart of the Federation, instead of one planet?

May I ask what exactly does "sharing" mean?

Your hostage analogy is poor, it implies that one side has taken a valuable hostage that keeps them safe, while the other side has massive, overwhelming firepower at its disposal.

While it might be suitable solely in the confines of the Luminaire system, you have to take a step back and look at the Fed and State as whole parts. Each have hundreds of star systems within their confines, and Luminaire is not a crucial system for either side's military or industry - it has culture value, absolutely, and large numbers of citizens living there, but not a ton else.

What you really have in Luminaire is a situation where both sides are warily eyeing each other across the void, and the moment one side shows definitive aggression, Caldari Prime will be attacked and likely recaptured, and Gallente Prime will see large parts of the planet charred, with the fleet that charred it likely getting destroyed.

These outcomes are not certain of course, but rather "likely". Neither side is likely going to get caught massively off-guard (like a certain Federation did a couple of years ago), so barring that happening, it's a question of who's faster and can cause / mitigate more damage, depending on the allegiance.

If Gallente forces attack Caldari Prime, they will surely do so en masse. If that's the case, then Caldari Prime is pretty much as good as lost for the State.

What they can do is make good on their threat, the concept of "scorched earth". If that if the Caldari lose their homeworld again, so will the Gallente. With that reasoning, they will likely use the titan and any other heavy assets to do as much damage to Gallente Prime and other worthy targets in the Luminaire system as they can, for once Caldari Prime is lost the expeditionary force will probably have to retreat back to friendly territory or be destroyed. The latter is likely, I'd bet.

With that completed, Luminaire will have been secured for the Gallente once again, but at the cost of many civilians casualties. As for the moral arguments, you could say history is written by the victors, but the Caldari line will be pretty clear, "we told them not to attack Caldari Prime, when they did, we retaliated". Of course, the fact it'll be civilians dead will be understated by the State, but whatever.

From there, we'll have a repeat of the previous Caldari-Gallente war, and between the poor state of Federal forces and the internal instability of the State, I don't think anyone could predict the outcome of that. I imagine it'd end with roughly the same balance of power, though, as the Amarrians nor the Matari would want to lose their only other significant ally in the cluster, and would probably intervene.

In short, the strategy of having a fleet over Caldari Prime isn't to keep the peace, it's to make sure that if the Gallente start a war over it, they'll pay a heavy price in terms of civilians, their culture, and so on. The other interesting thing in this is that in order to launch a strike of that caliber against Caldari Prime, they may need to divert resources from other locations, which might open up some strategic possibilities for the Caldari to hit in exchange for losing the homeworld. The intent being to win the long war, recapture home, and ideally extend their territory into the heart of the Federation to prevent it from being an enclave in enemy territory ever again.


One word. Cynojammer. I would say having a titan in-system is a big, big strategic advantage for the Caldari. As for the strategic equation, if it wasn't for that beast, I doubt you'd see the kind of stand off that has become norm over the last few years in Luminaire. If it's only a part of the strategic equation, it's a big ******* part.

As i mentioned earlier, the planet(s) will be shared, Caldari live according to their laws, and the gallanteans live acording to theirs

Well, I just wrote a very thoughtful essay about the state of relations and the challenges to a peaceful resolution, but unfortunately when I posted it, it was immediately lost due to some sort of technological glitch. Fantastic.


Oh well, the Caldari are too fanatical about this to be reasoned with, and the Gallente are equally frightened, and angry, so they're not too much better.

I would say to the Caldari that you should not forget that the people you are persecuting on Caldari Prime had nothing to do with its bombardment. They had not yet been -born-. So spare us all the self-righteous bullshit, and stop pretending that you're holding the planet through anything other than terrorism.

Caldari Prime is too far from the State's industrial and military bases to be held through any other means, and any agreement reached while the Titan is in Luminaire will result in accusations of coercion and further conflict down the line.

How you deal with that is up to you. I don't mistake me for an enemy of the State. I have never violated a contract with the Caldari Navy, my primary employers before I began working for Concord. I have a great appreciation for the State and its people, when they're being their usual rational selves.

Actually, it would be better to destroy the desire for prizes.

Of course, Master Kuvakei could unite the Caldari and Gallente by doing as you proposed, few things bring about cooperation better than a common, deeply hated enemy, after all. But I'm guessing that he will not risk that kind of unity against his Nation again.
This is not a jest, mind you, merely a train of thought.

I hope to speak with you again soon, perhaps at Vitalia's Festus? The thing I have to discuss with Vitalia may interest you as well.