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Collective front launched against the New Order, James315 and miner bumping.

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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#761 - 2013-02-08 14:05:59 UTC
Valderath wrote:
All the 'united front' need to do is change tactics. Those that pay James, are killed. You wear the tag in your bio saying you have paid, you are killed.

Once the 'order' has little credibility left, since those that pay are killed anyhow... then Jame's cause is nullified. No one will pay or pay attention to his jabbering. Insurgency against his order is pretty much perfect, since you don't need to kill his 'knights' just kill the source of his support.

Goes for his donor list too. Be fun to see some shadowy peeps start killing his donors and assets for the 'lols'.

Perhaps miners that pay and accept a mining pass can be termed 'scabs' by the Inter-Galatic Miners Union and shot accordingly. Just an idea.


This is a GREAT idea. However, its not original. I myself have heard it proposed dozens of times in game, on the forums here and even at www.minerbumping.com. Lets examine why its never worked.

1) The primary reason it hasn't worked is that it falls into the "Somebody (else) do something" catagory of ideas. By their nature, these types of things usually never materialize.

2) It involves loss of ships and security status. Carebears have a strong fear of both of these.

3) It takes organization to accomplish. The New Order of Highsec is organized. AFK miners, by definition, are not.

4) It shows a lack of understanding of what the New Order's goals are. We aren't trying to create a herd of compliant miners for our sake. We are trying to return highsec to a fun, exciting AND dangerous place to play Eve.

If a miner buys a permit he doesn't get bumped or ganked by a large, organized group of dedicated individuals who have shown the willingness AND ability to do so. This is well worth the 10,000,000 ISK. If the downside of buying a permit is it might annoy someone who has demonstrated the lack of motivation to take action combined with the inability to do anything... well, on balance, buying the permit is the economically wise thing to do. It always astonishes me that miners who count every ISK and can tell you all about yield and cycle time don't make this decision without hesitation.

315 4 CSM8

Highsec is worth fighting for.

Bing Bangboom
Agent of the New Order of Highsec
Belligerent Undesirable

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#762 - 2013-02-08 14:14:41 UTC
Bing Bangboom wrote:
1) The primary reason it hasn't worked is that it falls into the "Somebody (else) do something" catagory of ideas. By their nature, these types of things usually never materialize.


This is where mercenaries come into play.

Bing Bangboom wrote:
2) It involves loss of ships and security status. Carebears have a strong fear of both of these.


This is where alts come into play.

Bing Bangboom wrote:
3) It takes organization to accomplish. The New Order of Highsec is organized. AFK miners, by definition, are not.


A lot of amusing and laughably incorrect assumptions here.

Bing Bangboom wrote:
)It shows a lack of understanding of what the New Order's goals are. We aren't trying to create a herd of compliant miners for our sake. We are trying to return highsec to a fun, exciting AND dangerous place to play Eve.


Utter bullshit.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Manny Moons
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#763 - 2013-02-08 14:45:59 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
A disgruntled miner attempted to murder the Most Honorable Agent Droopsack. Thankfully, Agent Droopsack is Invincible, and the rebel miner is not. Retribution!

Kill: Obelisk
Kill: Capsule


WHAT was Lord Naiax doing? Flying a freighter with a kill right? Awesome.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#764 - 2013-02-08 16:22:20 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Bing Bangboom wrote:
1) The primary reason it hasn't worked is that it falls into the "Somebody (else) do something" catagory of ideas. By their nature, these types of things usually never materialize.


This is where mercenaries come into play.

Bing Bangboom wrote:
2) It involves loss of ships and security status. Carebears have a strong fear of both of these.


This is where alts come into play.

Bing Bangboom wrote:
3) It takes organization to accomplish. The New Order of Highsec is organized. AFK miners, by definition, are not.


A lot of amusing and laughably incorrect assumptions here.

Bing Bangboom wrote:
)It shows a lack of understanding of what the New Order's goals are. We aren't trying to create a herd of compliant miners for our sake. We are trying to return highsec to a fun, exciting AND dangerous place to play Eve.


Utter ********.


Except the goal of the New Order has ALWAYS been to make highsec more interesting and dangerous, instead of a stagnant, babying borefest. How can you claim that is untrue? What do you think our goal is?

Also, please refrain from using obscene language, it is against the Code.
Emperor Crash Zues
Guns N'Ore
#765 - 2013-02-08 16:47:44 UTC
apparently you guys haven't gotten the message we don't Damn ******* Care about you ******* Damn code.
Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
#766 - 2013-02-08 16:58:35 UTC
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
apparently you guys haven't gotten the message we don't Damn ******* Care about you ******* Damn code.


39 pages in just this thread alone. Four threads in this forum including a stickied one at the top.

Oh, you care alright. You just don't like it very much.


315 4 CSM8

BBB

Highsec is worth fighting for.

By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.  www.minerbumping.com
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#767 - 2013-02-08 17:03:31 UTC
Emperor Crash Zues wrote:
apparently you guys haven't gotten the message we don't Damn ******* Care about you ******* Damn code.


Then stop posting in threads about it, we don't care that you think you don't care, does that make us the don't-carebears?

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
Lord Ovuld Feish
Doomheim
#768 - 2013-02-08 17:06:01 UTC
The carebears will never be exterminated. You know that, right?

God, I hope so.

There are too many of us. CCP isn't going to stop catering to us, because we'll quit.

We will NEVER accept bullies forcing their playstyles onto us.

So, James, you were ninja mining and ratting in lowsec in his first week? Well, whoopy doo and good for you!

That doesn't mean everyone should go into lowsec their first week. Not every single ******* person in this game has to LOVE risk the way you do.
Nathalie LaPorte
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#769 - 2013-02-08 18:28:39 UTC
Valderath wrote:
All the 'united front' need to do is change tactics. Those that pay James, are killed. You wear the tag in your bio saying you have paid, you are killed.

Once the 'order' has little credibility left, since those that pay are killed anyhow... then Jame's cause is nullified. No one will pay or pay attention to his jabbering. Insurgency against his order is pretty much perfect, since you don't need to kill his 'knights' just kill the source of his support.

Goes for his donor list too. Be fun to see some shadowy peeps start killing his donors and assets for the 'lols'.

Perhaps miners that pay and accept a mining pass can be termed 'scabs' by the Inter-Galatic Miners Union and shot accordingly. Just an idea.



Occassionally some bright lad gets this idea into his/her head. Sadly for them, there are some major flaws with this plan:

1. New Order Permitholders are more intelligent than the average miner, so fit an adequate tank.

2. Rebel gankers generally try to operate solo, as they have learned from their mining experience, or for philosophical reasons which explain their opposition to the rightful government of highsec. flying solo, with poor fits, against tanked barges, they almost invariably fail and are made mock of.

3. If, against the odds, some group of rebel gankers did achieve moderate success at some point in the future, and came to enjoy ganking, they would almost surely realize that the afk and untanked barges would make much better targets, and would yield pods up, as the miners were afk and couldn't warp their pods away. Becoming a successful bumper or ganker has an incredibly high success rate at teaching people why afk and bot-aspirantism is bad for EVE. The more people that attempt to form these anti-Order groups, the faster the Order will grow.

These reasons should hopefully make it clear why the Order cannot lose. Their opponents have forfeited the game before it starts by playing AFK, and when they change this, they change sides to the winning side. This is why when James315, the Savior of Highsec, started the battle as 1 against thousands, he continued undaunted. He saw this winning formula when others saw only despair. To doubt it now is beyond foolishness.
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#770 - 2013-02-10 03:53:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Alana Charen-Teng
A new day, a new killmail to share. Officer-fitted Retriever - because purple is the color of royalty!

Kill: Retriever
Kill: Capsule

100 mil in bounty paid to our Most Honorable Knights, for bringing this Code violator to justice.
1,091 mil confiscated from a rebel miner.
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#771 - 2013-02-10 06:46:17 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
A new day, a new killmail to share. Officer-fitted Retriever - because purple is the color of royalty!

Kill: Retriever
Kill: Capsule

100 mil in bounty paid to our Most Honorable Knights, for bringing this Code violator to justice.
1,091 mil confiscated from a rebel miner.


Not to mention 500m worth of drops safely sitting in an undisclosed station in an undisclosed system on an undisclosed toon.

http://crossingzebras.com/2013/02/17/csm8ripardteg/
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#772 - 2013-02-11 20:24:06 UTC
Alana Charen-Teng wrote:
A new day, a new killmail to share. Officer-fitted Retriever - because purple is the color of royalty!

Kill: Retriever
Kill: Capsule

100 mil in bounty paid to our Most Honorable Knights, for bringing this Code violator to justice.
1,091 mil confiscated from a rebel miner.


Easily one of the best kills of the weekend.

Proud member of the New Order of HighSec
Aracimia Wolfe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#773 - 2013-02-11 21:05:42 UTC
Is it wrong that whenever I see a thread like this I get a warm little glow in anticipation of the next miner grab bag?

Kill it with Fire!

Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#774 - 2013-02-11 21:23:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Syds Sinclair
Valderath wrote:
All the 'united front' need to do is change tactics. Those that pay James, are killed. You wear the tag in your bio saying you have paid, you are killed.

Once the 'order' has little credibility left, since those that pay are killed anyhow... then Jame's cause is nullified. No one will pay or pay attention to his jabbering. Insurgency against his order is pretty much perfect, since you don't need to kill his 'knights' just kill the source of his support.

Goes for his donor list too. Be fun to see some shadowy peeps start killing his donors and assets for the 'lols'.

Perhaps miners that pay and accept a mining pass can be termed 'scabs' by the Inter-Galatic Miners Union and shot accordingly. Just an idea.



..Valderath, I absolutely love this idea. Part of what makes Eve great is that if someone is doing something you don't like, you can always hop into your combat ship and figure things out like men. Or, as you mentioned in a later post, pay mercenaries to do the dirty work for you. Isn't Eve awesome?

But your plan has a few flaws. Currently, non consensual PvP in highsec is very difficult. What with all the suicide gank nerfs the carebears have been demanding - and getting - all these years.

Your plan would need a charismatic leader to bring together an ample combat force.
It would require a lot of Isk, as there are no more insurance payouts for suicide ships.
It would demand top notch organization. You can't solo 4 ships with the boomerang technique anymore after all!
And lastly, your venture would need a clear and direct goal.

Man, it's a shame all those carebears cried and cried for the nerfs of non consensual highsec PvP and suicide ganking.

Luckily for the New Order-

There is a charismatic leader, James 315.
There is a lot of Isk, donated by the strong player base that loves Eve, making suicide ganks virtually free.
There is top notch organization, because of the dedicated pilots who love Eve, willingly to donate their time and efforts.
And lastly, the New Order has a clear and direct goal. If you care to know what this goal is, I suggest you read the Manifestos located in the links section of www.minerbumping.com.

♠ Sinclair Consulting ♠
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#775 - 2013-02-11 21:34:57 UTC
Syds Sinclair wrote:

..Valderath, I absolutely love this idea. Part of what makes Eve great is that if someone is doing something you don't like, you can always hop into your combat ship and figure things out like men. Or, as you mentioned in a letter post, pay mercenaries to do the dirty work for you. Isn't Eve awesome?

But your plan has a few flaws. Currently, non consensual PvP in highsec is very difficult. What with all the suicide gank nerfs the carebears have been demanding - and getting - all these years.

Your plan would need a charismatic leader to bring together an ample combat force.
It would require a lot of Isk, as there are no more insurance payouts for suicide ships.
It would demand top notch organization. You can't solo 4 ships with the boomerang technique anymore after all!
And lastly, your venture would need a clear and direct goal.

Man, it's a shame all those carebears cried and cried for the nerfs of non consensual highsec PvP and suicide ganking.

Luckily for the New Order-

There is a charismatic leader, James 315.
There is a lot of Isk, donated by the strong player base that loves Eve, making suicide tanks virtually free.
There is top notch organization, because of the dedicated pilots who love Eve, willingly to donate their time and efforts.
And lastly, the New Order has a clear and direct goal. If you care to know what this goal is, I suggest you read the Manifestos located in the links section of www.minerbumping.com.


Reflecting on the meaning of the Code for a bit, as I am wont to do, it seems to me, if miners stop afk mining ice all the time so that they can gank afk miners, that anyone who plans on following Valderath's interpretation of the Code would be very close to following the Code itself.

If any miners wish to support Valderath in his miner ganking plans, feel free to join the Order and unleash Antimatter Retribution with us! As Syds points out, we do already have the logistical support required to make it fun and painless, and we do have the illustrious and noble James 315. This would easily count as a collective front! We'd love to have you!

Proud member of the New Order of HighSec
Aracimia Wolfe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#776 - 2013-02-11 21:43:13 UTC
Syds has a fair point.

Also it's difficult to organise a group of people who for the most part, aren't interested in being organised. They just want to be left alone in peace forever while their wallets fatten with more ISK with no risks.

They're not saving the economy, they're not the lifeblood of the game. They're soulless machines with no interest in interation aside from their mining cycles.

Now I appreciate thats a blanket generlisation. And their are career miners who are approachable, friendly and interested in their surroundings and the people they meet. But lets be honest they're the ones who buy mining passes, because they know they'll make it back in an hour and because they're not raging on their false pride.

Hi sec isn't a utopian paradise free from strife. It's not the land of Milk and honey. And any force that acts to wake people up from their self imposed braindead slumber is to be applauded. You don't have to like the New Order, or pirates or suicide gankers or WarDec corps, or even just that bored dude bumping you for the lulz. But at least they're making something out of their game besides meaningless cash and whineposts.

Fact is if the afk aspirants were left alone this game would become a dead wilderness devoid of life.

The circle of life demands death as it's fuel. Ying and Yang, e.t.c.

In many ways James is doing this game a favour. You can hate him for it if you want but it doesn't change the fact that the events and activities and attitudes they bring, and the way they present themselves brings interest from others because it looks fun.

And at the end of the day fun is the real goal of any game.


So I wish this movement luck. I wish for a lively and vibrant community of miners, rising up in solidarity, in a shared sense of community. Fighting for a goal they believe in. Be the heroes you think hisec needs! I'll eat my god damned hat if you do, but I fully believe that by being successful in your goal you'll actually achieve the very same goal the new order hopes for.

Miners at their keyboards actually being members of this great universe we call eve.

I salute you all! o7

Kill it with Fire!

Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#777 - 2013-02-11 22:50:24 UTC
Vin King wrote:
Syds Sinclair wrote:

..Valderath, I absolutely love this idea. Part of what makes Eve great is that if someone is doing something you don't like, you can always hop into your combat ship and figure things out like men. Or, as you mentioned in a letter post, pay mercenaries to do the dirty work for you. Isn't Eve awesome?

But your plan has a few flaws. Currently, non consensual PvP in highsec is very difficult. What with all the suicide gank nerfs the carebears have been demanding - and getting - all these years.

Your plan would need a charismatic leader to bring together an ample combat force.
It would require a lot of Isk, as there are no more insurance payouts for suicide ships.
It would demand top notch organization. You can't solo 4 ships with the boomerang technique anymore after all!
And lastly, your venture would need a clear and direct goal.

Man, it's a shame all those carebears cried and cried for the nerfs of non consensual highsec PvP and suicide ganking.

Luckily for the New Order-

There is a charismatic leader, James 315.
There is a lot of Isk, donated by the strong player base that loves Eve, making suicide tanks virtually free.
There is top notch organization, because of the dedicated pilots who love Eve, willingly to donate their time and efforts.
And lastly, the New Order has a clear and direct goal. If you care to know what this goal is, I suggest you read the Manifestos located in the links section of www.minerbumping.com.


Reflecting on the meaning of the Code for a bit, as I am wont to do, it seems to me, if miners stop afk mining ice all the time so that they can gank afk miners, that anyone who plans on following Valderath's interpretation of the Code would be very close to following the Code itself.

If any miners wish to support Valderath in his miner ganking plans, feel free to join the Order and unleash Antimatter Retribution with us! As Syds points out, we do already have the logistical support required to make it fun and painless, and we do have the illustrious and noble James 315. This would easily count as a collective front! We'd love to have you!



..Excellent observation Vin! What's next, rebel miners demanding BUFFS to suicide ganking to assist Valderath's plan?

♠ Sinclair Consulting ♠
Vin King
State War Academy
Caldari State
#778 - 2013-02-11 23:08:19 UTC
Syds Sinclair wrote:

..Excellent observation Vin! What's next, rebel miners demanding BUFFS to suicide ganking to assist Valderath's plan?


Once they start ganking in HighSec, and have a few run-ins with Concord, they might plead to CCP to lower the response time! They might ask that barges have less EHP! Those miners are too tough to gank in a single catalyst, after all!

Proud member of the New Order of HighSec
Syds Sinclair
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#779 - 2013-02-11 23:26:19 UTC
Vin King wrote:
Syds Sinclair wrote:

..Excellent observation Vin! What's next, rebel miners demanding BUFFS to suicide ganking to assist Valderath's plan?


Once they start ganking in HighSec, and have a few run-ins with Concord, they might plead to CCP to lower the response time! They might ask that barges have less EHP! Those miners are too tough to gank in a single catalyst, after all!



..Fantastic. The Code works in mysterious ways brother. Mysterious ways.

♠ Sinclair Consulting ♠
Alana Charen-Teng
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#780 - 2013-02-13 07:56:12 UTC
Most gankers wouldn't look twice at a lowly retriever... they think it's simply beneath them to gank anything less than an exhumer. But you never know what kind of pod is hiding inside that humble retriever...

Kill: Retriever
Kill Capsule

1,367 mil destroyed for a single catalyst. Sounds like a good investment to me!