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FW MIssions and New NPC AI Mechanics
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Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-02-09 20:49:37 UTC
So I'm going to lay out a major problem that is happening around the warzone in FW. I know others have had similiar problems trying to catch ratters in combat sites, but please refrain from posting about it here as these two ideas are not the same. FW is all about signin up to defend and fight for a faction of your choosing.

As it stands, one of the ways to acqure LP in FW is to run Lvl 4 missions thoughout lowsc. For those of you who don't know, these missions spawn a beacon in space for everyone to see and anyone to warp to. An element of risk that justifies the rewards earned, but since the NPC AI mechanics were changed that element of risk has become a joke.

In FW, you're on a choosen side of the war fighting for your faction. In plexes, the faction rats on your side will help defend you (if we'll call that) and will not shoot you. Working as intened

Fast forward to mission sites. When you go into an enemy's mission site (meaning you're going into a room full of your own faction rats), they immediately begin to shoot you. Working as intended.....I think not.

What good does it do to provide mission runners a full room of rat aggro to protect them from WT's and neutrals? That is risk free LP making, a noton that I thought CCP was trying to curve. Something has to be fixed here and fixed quickly. Call me crazy, but I don't think your own faction rats should switch to you in mission sites,regardless of the new AI mechanics A safegurad needs to be set in place so that faction rats from your own FW faction do not shoot you in plexes and in missions.

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Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-02-10 05:40:21 UTC
Bump?

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Iminent Penance
Your Mom's Boyfriends
#3 - 2013-02-10 09:01:55 UTC
I'm in support of ai going back to being tard mode easy to exploit. Bring back l4s in less than 10 mins using a wtf aggro tank with paper thin 2k dps things.

Let the pvpers quit crying about not realizing their paper thin ships are just as aggroable as pve paper thin ships as well, it's gotten annoying. (pvpers used loosely, as desperately hunting easy kills is more like epeen pve. )
Yun Kuai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-02-11 11:34:01 UTC
Why is it no one on these forums knows how to read. I'm not talking about easy ganks. I'm talking a broken mechanic.

Imagine it like this for all you nullbears that have been touched by Pedo bear in your plexs and anoms:

You're running your site happily as ever safely tucked away in your nullsec pocket. A red jumps in and 30 of your alliance mates follow him. You think to yourself with a laugh, "Well, they're gonna gank that guy." Suddenly, that red lands at your site and he starts pewing you. Moments later, your alliance mates land. You find yourself fumbling to get on comms, and when you finally do, you're crying into comms for you alliance mates to save you. Utter horror and disgust comes flowing through your mind as all the blues on field start shooting you instead because you used a TP against the red target. You think again because you're a curious nullbear, "I signed up to fight with these guys to defend their space and what they stand for, why are they shooting me now?"

And then you see the broken mechanic involved with FW missions. I'm not arguing that AI shouldn't change targets to prevent easy mode, but they shouldn't shoot friendly FW members. There comes a point in FW where if your faction standings get to low, you get kicked from militia and can't rejoin until your standings are high enough. That mechanic solves the issue of one person using an alt to tank and an alt to gank in the mission.

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Zoe Panala
Blobcats
#5 - 2013-02-11 22:18:38 UTC
Yun Kuai wrote:
Why is it no one on these forums knows how to read. I'm not talking about easy ganks. I'm talking a broken mechanic.

Imagine it like this for all you nullbears that have been touched by Pedo bear in your plexs and anoms:

You're running your site happily as ever safely tucked away in your nullsec pocket. A red jumps in and 30 of your alliance mates follow him. You think to yourself with a laugh, "Well, they're gonna gank that guy." Suddenly, that red lands at your site and he starts pewing you. Moments later, your alliance mates land. You find yourself fumbling to get on comms, and when you finally do, you're crying into comms for you alliance mates to save you. Utter horror and disgust comes flowing through your mind as all the blues on field start shooting you instead because you used a TP against the red target. You think again because you're a curious nullbear, "I signed up to fight with these guys to defend their space and what they stand for, why are they shooting me now?"

And then you see the broken mechanic involved with FW missions. I'm not arguing that AI shouldn't change targets to prevent easy mode, but they shouldn't shoot friendly FW members. There comes a point in FW where if your faction standings get to low, you get kicked from militia and can't rejoin until your standings are high enough. That mechanic solves the issue of one person using an alt to tank and an alt to gank in the mission.


Go join any of the top 4 nullbear alliances, fly into their space and start to rat in a cheap Tengu, something like 2 or 3 bil. Then tell me who kills you first!
Kogh Ayon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2013-02-11 22:34:37 UTC
FW mission is now a group work. If you want to solo, go take the FW sites.