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Offensive/Rude Names, Does Anyone Report Them?

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Virginia Virdana
RSM Inc
#61 - 2013-02-11 18:33:04 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
But actually, historically it is quite true.
So when society deemed slavery ok, slavery was ok?

Calling me a troll won't change the fact that you're talking ****.


I think that this is quite an interesting point.

When society deemed slavery to be OK, it was OK by definition. Society, at that time and place in history, decided that it was ok to own another person.

Later, we decided that it was no longer acceptable to own other people, driven by a change in what each society felt was morally acceptable. As each society reached that point, they stopped, which is why slavery didn't stop simultaniously across the world.

What was morally acceptable 250 years ago, isn't acceptable today. You cannot apply your morality to a different point in time, in the same way you cannot apply it universally across different cultures, or even segments of your own society.

For example, if you have two people, each does the same job for the same firm, at the same wage. One is an employee and has access to the benefits that confirs. One is a long term temp and has no access to the benefits. Is the employer morally wrong?

In purely capitalist society the answer is no - they are giving themselves flexiblity in their hiring and firing, and preserving shareholder value. In a purely socialist society the answer is yes - they are abusing the rights of the long term temp to reduce their financial liability and curtailing the workers rights.

Which society is right?


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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#62 - 2013-02-11 18:39:42 UTC
50 years ago just the very fact that I am a gaymale would have landed me in prison, and possibly undergoing shock therapy.

Now I can get married.

Right and wrong is a very very malleable thing.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
#63 - 2013-02-11 18:40:56 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
Sol Weinstein wrote:
I think typing out "EvE" is offensive, but it isn't going to change anything.

"Offensive" is an arbitrary term. Please stop pushing your beliefs onto other people. We already have two perfectly good words that start with "N" that we cannot use due to peoples' over-sensitivity. No thanks for including more to the list that takes away freedom of speech.

Thank you.

freedom of speech is protection against the government

people and corporations cutting ties with you and shunning you is exactly how it's supposed to work


What?

dumbass whining about freedom of speech when people and corporations are shunning you is nonsense

freedom of speech means you don't get thrown in jail not you don't get shunned and despised


What?

Jail?

What?

Thank you.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#64 - 2013-02-11 18:51:23 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Lets hope not, this is a game geared towards adults after all.


Let me fill that out a bit.

Geared towards adults that are fascinated by bodily functions and believe that being a sociopath is the new normal. Adults who failed grade two English, yet mange to remember every stat for every ship set up in the game. Adults that feel they are omnipotent because they are anonymous. Adults that think offering pain is better than altruism. Adults that feel sunlight is a tool of the devil and real life socializing will give them cooties.

In short, adults to which adult behavior is a foreign concept.

Mr Epeen Cool
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#65 - 2013-02-11 18:52:36 UTC
I see nobody's mentioned this, so I'm dropping by with a reminder. Names are not changed because they're offensive to one player or another. They are changed by a GM applying/interpreting the name policy of Eve Online. No more, no less.

ISD LackOfFaith

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#66 - 2013-02-11 18:53:53 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
Lets hope not, this is a game geared towards adults after all.


Let me fill that out a bit.

Geared towards adults that are fascinated by bodily functions and believe that being a sociopath is the new normal. Adults who failed grade two English, yet mange to remember every stat for every ship set up in the game. Adults that feel they are omnipotent because they are anonymous. Adults that think offering pain is better than altruism. Adults that feel sunlight is a tool of the devil and real life socializing will give them cooties.

In short, adults to which adult behavior is a foreign concept.

Mr Epeen Cool



All excellent points.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#67 - 2013-02-11 19:06:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Estella Osoka
If it violates the EULA, then you are well within your right to report them. In case you do not know what is reportable, see: http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=37

ISD beat me to it. Oh well.
Rellik B00n
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2013-02-11 19:08:52 UTC
i once had a bio with a story in it made up entirely of character names.

its was a good but offensive story.

I got it taken away by a GM after someone reported it.

I noticed afterwards that all the characters still existed by the same names.

double standards or what.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
#69 - 2013-02-11 19:27:02 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
You are confused by the semantics of the words OK and wrong, which are malleable within both sides of any issue.

This is the effect of the downfall of the education system the past few decades folks. Welcome to it.
Quite a articulate way of saying nothing.


Virginia Virdana wrote:
I think that this is quite an interesting point.

When society deemed slavery to be OK, it was OK by definition. Society, at that time and place in history, decided that it was ok to own another person.

Later, we decided that it was no longer acceptable to own other people, driven by a change in what each society felt was morally acceptable. As each society reached that point, they stopped, which is why slavery didn't stop simultaniously across the world.

What was morally acceptable 250 years ago, isn't acceptable today. You cannot apply your morality to a different point in time, in the same way you cannot apply it universally across different cultures, or even segments of your own society.
But I can. A person who is used as slave labour suffers. Such slaves suffer now. Such slaves suffered 250 years ago. Under any moral system concerned with the well being of people, it is immoral. And since morality by definition deals with the wellbeing of people, it is inescapable.

Virginia Virdana wrote:
For example, if you have two people, each does the same job for the same firm, at the same wage. One is an employee and has access to the benefits that confirs. One is a long term temp and has no access to the benefits. Is the employer morally wrong?

In purely capitalist society the answer is no - they are giving themselves flexiblity in their hiring and firing, and preserving shareholder value. In a purely socialist society the answer is yes - they are abusing the rights of the long term temp to reduce their financial liability and curtailing the workers rights.

Which society is right?
Hard question to answer - but not having an answer doesn't mean there isn't one.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#70 - 2013-02-11 19:55:24 UTC
Crumplecorn wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
You are confused by the semantics of the words OK and wrong, which are malleable within both sides of any issue.

This is the effect of the downfall of the education system the past few decades folks. Welcome to it.
Quite a articulate way of saying nothing.



No. You just want a 'reaction'.

So you'll get one in the form of a Block.

Congratulations.

Type away but from now on I won't see your brainless nonsense.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2013-02-11 20:32:49 UTC
does anyone actually believe krixtal has the self-control not to click on "see this post" for every poster he supposedly blocks

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YuuKnow
The Scope
#72 - 2013-02-11 21:08:11 UTC  |  Edited by: YuuKnow
Orbital Dyke wrote:
Here to remind everyone this is a game so enjoy it and lighten up


But what players don't realize is that when they bring into the 'game' their real-life offensiveness then they actually take away from that enjoyment. Doesn't matter if your in the game world, there's something about calling your toon "Downs Syndrome Kid" or corp "Window-Lickers" that contaminates the game world with the same real-world unpleasantness that folks play games to forget, and snaps them back from game enjoyment to the reality of RL bigots.

Of course CCP is a private company. So if they want Eve to act as a way for players to release they're inner ethnic, racial, sexist, or national biogotries anonamously then its their right as a company to do so. But it will be limiting their audience and ultimately will become a vector for the hateful and bigotted in the eyes of the gaming community at large...(anyone want to play ethnic intolerance online anyone?)

yk
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#73 - 2013-02-11 21:10:51 UTC
Turelus wrote:
It's something most people in EVE see every day, joke character and corps names which really are offensive and shouldn't be there.

Where's that bloody damned "Add Bounty" button, already?!

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#74 - 2013-02-11 21:12:44 UTC
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
I see nobody's mentioned this, so I'm dropping by with a reminder. Names are not changed because they're offensive to one player or another. They are changed by a GM applying/interpreting the name policy of Eve Online. No more, no less.

/Thread

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Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-02-11 21:18:04 UTC
It must be awfully tiring going through life looking for things to be offended by.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#76 - 2013-02-11 21:20:09 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
It must be awfully tiring going through life looking for things to be offended by.



One does not (normally, but some indeed do) look for them.

They get flung directly into ones face without asking.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#77 - 2013-02-11 21:41:20 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
Posting in a thread that has turned into a debate between moral absolutism and moral relativism.

Also...
Mr. Epeen wrote:
[A game] Geared towards adults that are fascinated by bodily functions and believe that being a sociopath is the new normal. Adults who failed grade two English, yet mange to remember every stat for every ship set up in the game. Adults that feel they are omnipotent because they are anonymous. Adults that think offering pain is better than altruism. Adults that feel sunlight is a tool of the devil and real life socializing will give them cooties.

In short, adults to which adult behavior is a foreign concept.

http://xkcd.com/150/

To paraphrase; "We are the adults now. We get to decide what being an adult means."

How did you Veterans start?
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#78 - 2013-02-11 21:47:05 UTC
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
If any parent around lets their kids play Eve it's not CCP you should blame but those irresponsible parents, maybe give them some professional phone number to learn their job and stop complaining it's never their fault.

Advertisement says it's not for kids and sensible souls, they can also choose to not play but if they do they can just STFU.



Who says the parents have kids playing? I am sure there are adults playing as we speak that are some how connected to children of special needs. Should these parents be offended by such a name?
Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#79 - 2013-02-11 21:52:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Markku Laaksonen
I don't report names or language. Dirty language does no harm to me, seeing as how I'm older than four. Live and let live and such.

Edit: I should add that, for a game and player base that prides itself so much on the extent to which its players can relly just do dispicable things to each other with CCP sanction, it sure does get upset easily and about some really insignificant stuff.

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KrakizBad
Section 8.
#80 - 2013-02-11 21:53:22 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
does anyone actually believe krixtal has the self-control not to click on "see this post" for every poster he supposedly blocks

As much as his ability to unsubscribe.