Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Bring back permalockdown ecm scorps! but make them frig sized! Nothing wrong with a fight where only one side can shoot!

I have read - not listened, after all we're typing not speaking! - your comments and understand them fully. However, you appear to be forgetting, unintentionally or otherwise, your original high-IQ smug response to my comment, so I'll refresh your memory.


Now did I in ANY sense advocate increasing the dps of the EAF? In two words? You immediately read into that what you wanted to enable you to respond with that obvious attempt to paint me as someone lacking in intellect. This, you thought, would make you appear smarter than you really are; not difficult given your obvious difficulty in understanding written English.

Another possibility is a desperate need by yourself to be recognised as some type of EVE guru,and this was a golden opportunity to say



However, lacking the confidence to voice this opinion (in case someone shot it down?), you resorted to hding it in rhetoric by pretending to be arguing a non-existent point.

Again: where in my point did I advocate doing ANYTHING with EAF dps? Show me!!

Please continue posting

In my opinion there are two simple ways to fix Electronic Attack Ships:

a) Leave them as they are but hey they are Electronic Ships, so why the f*** do they have such a big signature and align that slow? Reduce their signature significantly, I would even say, they should have the smallest signature of all frigates in game due to using heavy Electronics to cover / distract their emissions. Their base signature should be less than 30 m. Finally their agility should be significantly increased, they do not have heavy weapons nor a tank so should they be much more agile than they currently are.

b) If you think these ships should be slow, sluggish and have a signature like a whale then please give them at least some buffer tank so that they have a slimm chance to survive more then just one or two hits.

I prefer solution a).

because recons are support vehicles. Like your eaf.


Falcons are jammers with crap dps. 5 rainbow falcons can blind the **** out of 5 targets...but unless terribad and sitting completely still, the enemy is in very little danger of dying to those guns. rails guns, lr ammo and no tracking bonus. It cannot fit mag stab (its tank or jam mods in lows). the mids are the jams and prop mod...ergo no TC. basically if it does hit you its hitting like utter crap. But as a falcon pilot I accept this. same as I do in scorpion. I bring the jams, my boys bring the pain.

Rapier is not omfg dps. Here is why they cloak. They are great at bubble sitting and picking off easy targets.. They see a target they can't kill, they let it run out the bubble to live a longer eve life. Then something comes in it can kill. POp the cloak, ride out delay, kill it. If they need real dps, they call it in. When rapier pilots think too much of thier web+paint+dps....they usually end up dead real fast.

A covert ops cloak does far more than just allow for black ops drops. It is a powerful defensive shield, falcons are very expensive, fairly slow, expensive and have a large signature radius, this makes them extremely susceptible to long range weapons. Having a swarm of EAF's that can't be tracked by snipers and can easily evade frigate tackle is a very dangerous proposal. Not only that but it is a extremely powerful weapon with the intel war. If you can't see someone you can't account for them in a fight, I am willing to wager everyone who uses alts in FW plexing already would drop their links for a kitsune alt and camp plexes all day with their daredevil unless they care about points on a killboard.

"can't be tracked by snipers" applies to any cloaked ship.

"can't be tracked by snipers" applies to any uncloaked, moving frigate; not directly towards sniper ofc.

"can easily evade frigate tackle" only when it's cloaked, uncloaked it's another ship with ewar. Then drones will make sure it has an interesting, if short, life. Even if you have no drones, its mediocre dps means it's not a threat, even if you are jammed. Hell, the kit could fly in uncloaked and do that to you.

Any cloaky ship can do intel, so it's irrelevant to this discussion, which is EAF with covops cloak.

If it's a lone ship then it's in trouble when it decloaks, due to its small tank and mediocre dps. RUN is the order of the day. If it's part of a fleet then the cloak is immaterial. At best you could argue that it can serve two roles: scout and ewar. This is a big deal?

Your argument also contains a duplicate point, "very expensive, fairly slow, expensive" illustrating your desperation to produce a credible list of supporting reasons. This shows you have no substantive objection to this idea and are posting because you perceive some type of threat to your preferred playstyle. Fair enough, but be honest about your motives.

Reduce the max locked target to 2 and give them cov ops cloak. This way they will be rather good as bomber support in cloaked small-medium gang. Max locked targets reduction will avoid them for locking down whole fleets. If one wants to lock more ships, there are modules for that.

Dont follow, never said anything about locking in cloak.

I think this is the way to go, though fitting special modules only for EAF's would also be helpful. Maybe they could have a lock breaker making them unlockable for 15 seconds with a two minute recharge time. It would at least fit with their EWAR theme.

It is very much NOT besides the point since plexes are one of the most common places frigates fight. Also they were never nerfed since they were never good. just sayin.