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S'Way
State War Academy
Caldari State
#41 - 2013-02-11 16:39:43 UTC  |  Edited by: S'Way
Quintessen wrote:

Would you spend 500M to get 1000 SP, 5000 SP, 10k SP? If the answer is no, then it's likely that there is some level of diminishing returns that older players wouldn't buy out and it doesn't matter if one or two do. The question is if most of them would.

Additionally even if players would do that, then at least there would be a time that they would make themselves cash poor in order to do it. And frankly I imagine money is what separates veterans from new players more than SP. Veterans can afford to throw away ships (even to suicide gank if need be). New players can't afford to be so cavalier.

There's more than a couple of trillionaires in EvE at this stage of the game that wouldn't think twice about dropping a couple hundred billion or more on sp's if the chance was offered - and it wouldn't make a sizable dent in their wallets. Once you've been playing so long isk becomes no motivator, you could literally burn a billion a day in ship losses and still not lose more than you make from alts and a few minutes effort a day.

However harsh diminishing returns (on top of being pay to win) would be seen by many vets as unfair and lead to a lot of unsubs from CCP's most loyal customers. Given the average sub time of players isn't years they'd be risking their most reliable income (people who've subbed for years) for a short term income boost from selling sp's for plex.

The other thing is few new players would be able to buy plex in-game to fund their main or alt accounts - when you get a lot of old players buying up all the plex to finish some skills without remapping then you'd see plex spiral in price. Can new players afford 1bil or even 2bil a plex ?

I can understand people wanting to take a shortcut and get skills done faster, but as has been said - the character bazaar already provides that without breaking the games economy or costing CCP sub numbers.
Yes I know you can't change those characters names currently - I do think they should allow that, as long as the old name is displayed on the characters info somewhere like corp history is. That way you would have the option to make the character "yours" almost as much as you would at character creation (you can already resculpt for plex).
Quintessen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-02-11 17:29:02 UTC
S'Way wrote:
Quintessen wrote:
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There's more than a couple of trillionaires in EvE at this stage of the game that wouldn't think twice about dropping a couple hundred billion or more on sp's if the chance was offered - and it wouldn't make a sizable dent in their wallets. Once you've been playing so long isk becomes no motivator, you could literally burn a billion a day in ship losses and still not lose more than you make from alts and a few minutes effort a day.

However harsh diminishing returns (on top of being pay to win) would be seen by many vets as unfair and lead to a lot of unsubs from CCP's most loyal customers. Given the average sub time of players isn't years they'd be risking their most reliable income (people who've subbed for years) for a short term income boost from selling sp's for plex.

The other thing is few new players would be able to buy plex in-game to fund their main or alt accounts - when you get a lot of old players buying up all the plex to finish some skills without remapping then you'd see plex spiral in price. Can new players afford 1bil or even 2bil a plex ?

I can understand people wanting to take a shortcut and get skills done faster, but as has been said - the character bazaar already provides that without breaking the games economy or costing CCP sub numbers.
Yes I know you can't change those characters names currently - I do think they should allow that, as long as the old name is displayed on the characters info somewhere like corp history is. That way you would have the option to make the character "yours" almost as much as you would at character creation (you can already resculpt for plex).


I've generally found that it's new players who are putting the money in to buy the PLEX to put on the market. There are newer players who live off of PLEX, but I imagine the longer your account has been live the more likely you are to live off of PLEX for game time. So 2B a PLEX would be a boon for those trying to raise funds.

That said, limits would likely need to be put into place if a system like this were realized. E.g. only one PLEX a month could be redeemed for SP. That would likely prevent the mass grab of PLEX from high-end industrialists and alliance owners.

Now you mentioned the perception of Eve becoming or becoming more P2W would drive older and sometimes newer people away. And I agree that would happen. Though I think that CCP needs to find some way to adjust for the perception of the gap between old and new. CCP does an amazing job of player retention for older players. CPP doesn't do such a great job for transitioning newer players into long-term players. Part of that comes from the perception that older players will have access to resources and have so much SP that they cannot catch up. CCP keeps touting the line that it doesn't matter because of the skill system, but I don't think its resonating. If it were this issue wouldn't keep coming up.

I do believe a better measure is what you described, which is renames for PLEX. I think it will have far fewer repercussions and the ripple effects of PLEX for SP is why I'm against PLEX for SP. But I don't want to the argument to be that creating a fair system that can't be significantly abused is impossible. CCP can solve the problem. I just don't think they should.
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