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A scanner to match Hulk's range.

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Megyn Kendall
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2013-02-10 17:31:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Megyn Kendall
For a long time fleet miners have needed a survey scanner that matches the mining range of their barges.

As it is essential to have the scanner on the barge itself in order to mine efficiently by locking/unlocking on asteroids directly from the scanner, having the scan bonus on the capital ship is ineffectual.

This is especially so now that Hulks are purposed for fleet mining they're likely to always have an increased laser range. Their laser range is 26km and the best scanner is 22 leaving a sizable hole

Proposal:
A Role Bonus for Hulks to boost survey scanner range
-or-
Extend capital ship bonus to fleet members, perhaps as a leadership skill.
-or-
Increase range of Survey Scanner II
-or-
Fleet shared Survey Scanner Results (added per Buzzy Warstl)
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-02-10 22:06:03 UTC
OR have an Orca in fleet that does this for you.

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Megyn Kendall
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-02-10 22:09:28 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
OR have an Orca in fleet that does this for you.
Thank for for your reply. But please do read the thread before making a knee-jerk form reply.

"As it is essential to have the scanner on the barge itself in order to mine efficiently by locking/unlocking on asteroids directly from the scanner, having the scan bonus on the capital ship is ineffectual."
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2013-02-11 00:04:58 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
OR have an Orca in fleet that does this for you.

This.

Have the Orca broadcast the asteroids for you.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-02-11 00:17:27 UTC
Megyn Kendall wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
OR have an Orca in fleet that does this for you.
Thank for for your reply. But please do read the thread before making a knee-jerk form reply.

"As it is essential to have the scanner on the barge itself in order to mine efficiently by locking/unlocking on asteroids directly from the scanner, having the scan bonus on the capital ship is ineffectual."


I did read it. As Shah pointed out, it is not essential for a barge to have an ore scanner to mine effectively. The tools are already available in game to allow you to do this efficiently. Hint: It requires teamwork.

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Megyn Kendall
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-02-11 00:19:50 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Megyn Kendall wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
OR have an Orca in fleet that does this for you.
Thank for for your reply. But please do read the thread before making a knee-jerk form reply.

"As it is essential to have the scanner on the barge itself in order to mine efficiently by locking/unlocking on asteroids directly from the scanner, having the scan bonus on the capital ship is ineffectual."


I did read it. As Shah pointed out, it is not essential for a barge to have an ore scanner to mine effectively. The tools are already available in game to allow you to do this efficiently. Hint: It requires teamwork.



The entire premise of the thread is fleet mining with a capital ship. Restating that a capital ship should be present when mining with a capital ship is a fairly clear indicator that you didn't read it and are trolling.
Megyn Kendall
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2013-02-11 00:20:04 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
OR have an Orca in fleet that does this for you.

This.

Have the Orca broadcast the asteroids for you.


But you aren't a miner, so you don't get it, and are just trolling.

Miners lock and unlock asteroids directly from the scan result window (not the overview) - where the status of each asteroid can bee seen.

The capital ship having a scan result window does not allow the miner to lock on asteroids from it. So barges must have the scanner.

Hulks, being fleet purposed barges, should have a scanning ability at least equal to their laser range.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#8 - 2013-02-11 03:44:20 UTC
Megyn Kendall wrote:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
OR have an Orca in fleet that does this for you.

This.

Have the Orca broadcast the asteroids for you.


But you aren't a miner, so you don't get it, and are just trolling.

Just because I disagree with the reason you think you need this addition/alteration does mean I'm trolling. And I have mined in the distant past. The Orca/Rorqual scanned stuff and broadcasted the best 'roids. We targeted and mined.

Megyn Kendall wrote:
Miners lock and unlock asteroids directly from the scan result window (not the overview) - where the status of each asteroid can bee seen.

And you can do the same using the broadcast window.

Megyn Kendall wrote:
The capital ship having a scan result window does not allow the miner to lock on asteroids from it. So barges must have the scanner.

No they don't. The Orca/Rorqual simply needs to broadcast which asteroids are best.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-02-11 03:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Megyn Kendall wrote:
The entire premise of the thread is fleet mining with a capital ship. Restating that a capital ship should be present when mining with a capital ship is a fairly clear indicator that you didn't read it and are trolling.


Last I checked, a Hulk is not a capital ship. I read your post & understood it perfectly, I just disagreed. Labelling anyone that disagrees with you as a troll doesn't help your argument.

Megyn Kendall wrote:
But you aren't a miner, so you don't get it, and are just trolling.


If we'd never mined at any stage, we wouldn't be giving you solid advice on this. Just because we choose to no longer mine does not mean that we know nothing about it. We get where you're coming from, but the tools you're asking for already exist in the form of Orca & Rorqual bonuses, as they are mining support ships.

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Michael Loney
Skullspace Industries
#10 - 2013-02-11 04:08:16 UTC
Having the Orca call targets is fine with 2 or 3 people, but add in 5 or 6 and its a nightmare, letting the miners decide how to mine is best way to ensure max efficiency. No missed cycles, no burning crystals and no doubling up on rocks.

If the Orca had a way of assigning rocks to people that wasn't a fleet broadcast then great, but the current method sucks.

Add in that Off-grid boosting exists and there you are, Survey scanner II needs a range boost.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#11 - 2013-02-11 04:36:08 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
OR have an Orca in fleet that does this for you.


And if you have three toons, and only one monitor WTF then.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-02-11 05:08:42 UTC
Intar Medris wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
OR have an Orca in fleet that does this for you.


And if you have three toons, and only one monitor WTF then.


Window mode?

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Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#13 - 2013-02-11 14:16:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzy Warstl
The non-miners *really* don't get it, do they?

The point of the scanner isn't to know which rocks are best, it's to know when to turn off *your* mining lasers so that you don't waste 50% or more of a cycle on a dead asteroid. This is not information that can be transmitted from the support ship as they don't have all the data necessary to make that call.

[edit]
What would be really useful is to have ships in a fleet share scanner results (for any type of scanner) automatically.

We have that whole subspace network thing going, it would make sense for such primitive data to be shared out along with general telemetry and such.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-02-11 14:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Buzzy Warstl wrote:
The non-miners *really* don't get it, do they?


They tell me I don't pay attention, then proceed to not pay attention.

I used to mine. I did it for a couple of years. The thing you're asking for is easy to manage with other people. If your Orca pilot can't give you a number when he scans the ore & do a tiny bit of math that takes a split second to process, then you need a more competent Orca pilot. It's kind of like FCing a fleet, only much easier.

Buzzy Warstl wrote:
What would be really useful is to have ships in a fleet share scanner results (for any type of scanner) automatically.


Now this is a far better proposition, one that I would actually get behind.

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Megyn Kendall
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-02-11 15:03:04 UTC
The barge pilot needs to be able to see how ore levels have changed in order to unlock asteroids before they deplete FROM THE SCANNER WINDOW so he unlocks the correct laser. Otherwise he wastes cycle time on empty asteroids. With many asteroids having only 1-2 cycles in them this is a constant process and not doing it can cut your m3/hr by upwards of 40%.

The only way to mine efficiently is for the scanner to be on the barge.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#16 - 2013-02-11 18:41:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Gizznitt Malikite
I actually support this, sort off... I want option D....

To explain: Increasing the range of an asteroid scanner isn't a big game breaking thing.... although.... I don't want to boost the T2/Meta 4 to do this.... So I propose Option D...

D.) Add an "Ore Faction" Survey Scanner mod with the appropriate range.... This will fullfill the needed range, but cost you appropriately...

Why this option?

1.) It creates an additional piece of bling to be fit on the barge PiƱata.

2.) It uses up a valuable midslot... thereby weakening the potential tank of the mining vessel!!!
Temp888
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-02-11 18:44:53 UTC
Megyn Kendall wrote:
For a long time fleet miners have needed a survey scanner that matches the mining range of their barges.

As it is essential to have the scanner on the barge itself in order to mine efficiently by locking/unlocking on asteroids directly from the scanner, having the scan bonus on the capital ship is ineffectual.

This is especially so now that Hulks are purposed for fleet mining they're likely to always have an increased laser range. Their laser range is 26km and the best scanner is 22 leaving a sizable hole

Proposal:
A Role Bonus for Hulks to boost survey scanner range
-or-
Extend capital ship bonus to fleet members, perhaps as a leadership skill.
-or-
Increase range of Survey Scanner II
The OP is correct.

Scanners must be on the Hulks. Hulk pilots need to constantly monitor asteroid levels in order to efficiently manage their laser cycles.

Only trolls and non-miners give the 'dur, an orca kan du eet, dur!' answer.

Good idea, long overdue.

The Hulk Role Bonus is the most selective of the proposals with the least auxiliary impact.

+1
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#18 - 2013-02-11 18:54:04 UTC
Temp888 wrote:
Megyn Kendall wrote:
For a long time fleet miners have needed a survey scanner that matches the mining range of their barges.

As it is essential to have the scanner on the barge itself in order to mine efficiently by locking/unlocking on asteroids directly from the scanner, having the scan bonus on the capital ship is ineffectual.

This is especially so now that Hulks are purposed for fleet mining they're likely to always have an increased laser range. Their laser range is 26km and the best scanner is 22 leaving a sizable hole

Proposal:
A Role Bonus for Hulks to boost survey scanner range
-or-
Extend capital ship bonus to fleet members, perhaps as a leadership skill.
-or-
Increase range of Survey Scanner II
The OP is correct.

Scanners must be on the Hulks. Hulk pilots need to constantly monitor asteroid levels in order to efficiently manage their laser cycles.

Only trolls and non-miners give the 'dur, an orca kan du eet, dur!' answer.

Good idea, long overdue.

The Hulk Role Bonus is the most selective of the proposals with the least auxiliary impact.

+1


No.... no need for a role bonuses.... Just make a faction Mod to get that extra 20% range you covet...
Temp888
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-02-11 19:08:25 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
No.... no need for a role bonuses.... Just make a faction Mod to get that extra 20% range you covet...
The Role Bonus still takes up the tank slot you covet...
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#20 - 2013-02-11 19:21:49 UTC
Temp888 wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
No.... no need for a role bonuses.... Just make a faction Mod to get that extra 20% range you covet...
The Role Bonus still takes up the tank slot you covet...


but a t2 scanner isn't worth much.... An Ore Faction Scanner might actually be worth 25-50m.... which is an important piece of the gankvalue-to-lootvalue ratio!!!
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