Intergalactic Summit

Tradition is the foundation of civilization. Tradition is the base of law, of etiquette, of culture. We all are tradition in different shapes, and rejecting it is rejecting both society and humanity.

Thugh it's hardly surprising that you reject it, as you have abandoned your humanity willingly together with your options.



There are many utopias. The Gallente have their own, the Nation, the Empire... only one will prevail, and when history has advanced, the Nation will only be one footnote in the history books.



I do what I do for Peace. For Utopia. For the Empire. It is true that many in th militias kill for sport, but it is also true that many of us do so for very different reasons. We will see which of both stands in the end, when all your self-justifications and claims of peace have been forfeit by your acts.

If a civilization is founded on rotted principles, the fact that those rotted principles are called Tradition does not matter. When the people learn the extent of the taint in their society, they throw off those principles and adopt new ones. Even your religion has changed in the last several thousand years, has it not? Tradition is not special. It is simply something people cling to for comfort, a pillar that has lasted long before them and will last long after. But that does not make it special or worthy of praise simply because it has endured.

Also, yes, I do reject the view of society that the Empires wish me to have. I reject your notion of humanity. When society focuses on what makes us different rather then what draws us together, I reject society. When society says I must hate The Other, I reject society. When society says peace is a dream and is impossible, I reject society. I want to embrace the entire galaxy and beyond in Unity, happiness, friendship, peace, and prosperity. To push the bounds of what can be known. To reach out as One People and become all that we can be.

If you say that is rejecting Humanity, then I ask everyone else to walk with me and reject it as well. Because your version of humanity is stagnation and death.



You attempted to crush our Dream before. But now what has not killed Nation has made it stronger. I do look forward to the day when you can see New Eden as I see it. Full of opportunity and wonder, brother Catillah.

He who can be, and therefore is another's, and he who participates in reason enough to apprehend, but not to have, is a slave by nature Ms. Polevhia not by choice.

You talk of “Unity, happiness, friendship, peace, and prosperity.” Yet you don’t know yourself, as Mr. Sepherim wisely pointed out you reject Traditions which is the reference to understand ourselves. Aware of your ignorance you decide to be defined by others. You don’t want those things you predicate Ms. Polevhia, what you want it to be told what to do, to go back to the comfortable slumber you were with the State, to avoid the responsibility of your actions. The Nation will be more than happy to accommodate your torpor, however realize you won’t wake from this one.

Sansha assumes that the freedom of the individual is dependent on the structure of the whole society. Therefore, the struggle for freedom should be carried out, not for securing the rights of the individual, but for a changed social structure in the world. History has amply proved that none of the structures constructed which the sacrifice of the individual rights/freedom was demanded rendered freedom possible.

Yet, the Sansha’s intellectuals refuse to keep their eyes open to the historical realities; they are busy with their mental constructs, which only have created mythological utopias. They argue new structures when established, will produce the ‘new man’. The promises will be fulfilled with the new man of the new ideal society. If the morality of Sansha consisted in promoting an indivisible freedom and solidarity of those working for that freedom, the same morality wilted away in heralding the creation of a new man and a new ideal society.

It is the structure of society that depends on the freedom of the individual. It’s why we believe that only through many hardships is a man stripped to his very foundations, and in such a state devoid of distractions of the preconceptions of the finite. Is his soul and reason free to soar; in this state he is closest to the true nature of its own being. Sansha’s partial truths subordinated to lies are more dangerous than a total lie. The lie about freedom cancels the truth of human nature. Freedom without truth is indeed the cancellation of freedom.

I disagree with the notion that the age of something proves it's validity. Crewing a ship with baseliners is an older idea, does that mean that is 'better built around the core elements' of space warfare?



Is this the same Empire that attacked the Minmatar in 22480 AD? Jove in 23216 AD? Nation in YC 37? Throughout History your own Empire has built the loyalty of it's people on the idea that the Pious was to be followed into conflict against the non-believer. Your words of unity with the Galaxy are pretty but flawed when compared with the history of your Empire.



I have not been 'programmed'. My integration with Nation is an ongoing process. I have not yet been Networked with my kin. The person you are speaking with now is Evi Polevhia and I have not been altered yet. My thoughts are my own.



My apologies then on the incorrect title. Though I do wonder how you can see the future. I urge you to not dismiss what I say as PR so quickly. My embrace of Nation comes after long and intense introspection and thought on many matters, not after being 'reprogrammed' or however you would put it. I wish to see all of New Eden in the peace of the Master's Vision.

If there were a way to show an outsider the truth of my words by introducing them to Utopia other then joining Nation, I will let you know, yes? No strings attached, as they say. Then you could see New Eden how it was meant to be seen.

Thank you very much. It took strength to make the first step. But every step there after, I do not have to rely on my strength alone.

We never went anywhere. We do, however, tend to believe in action ahead of IGS posturing.

Turnur is not currently in our objectives.

No, and that's why that tradition is being changed. It no longer resists in our society, so it is left behind. Those that resist are stronger because they talk of the core of what it is to be us. And the center can't be dismissed.



Yes, it is. You are also the Sansha that are currently invading amarrian space in two sepparate incursions, right? You have to go back 78 years in order to find an Imperial invasion, thus I believe you can be claimed to be currently more agressive than we are.

So I suggest you seek another example. You use the same methods we created in order to spread your "utopia", though change the voluntary submission of the personal will we encourage for a machine controlled interface.



Then congratulations on self-brainwashing yourself succesfully!



Apologies accepted. I cannot see the future, obviously, but I know myself. I know my place, where I want to be and why. If you were to take me and mind-control me to submit me to the Nation, I would no longer be myself; and if you don't, I wouldn't join you. Thus I can know what the future may hold in this specific regard.



You can let me know if you so wish, but I can see the universe through your eyes even without that tutorial. The Nation, afterall, is just a darkened and twisted reflection of the Empire. It reminds us what the price is to fail the correct path.

I don't disagree with the notion of invading other powers. I'm a soldier, and I favor the Reclaiming and whenever it restarts, I'll be in the frontlines. But I won't take a Nation pilot claiming "how peaceful you are" and how "violent we are" while you are the ones invading our sovereign space. We are violent, we defend our right to conquer everywhere and show the true vision of the Empire to everyone. But we don't claim otherwise, I was just pointing out what a hypocrite claim captain Polevhia was doing.

As I said, you're just our flawed reflection.

The Nation practices the worst kind of slavery. It is slavery of body and mind. Mister Thessalonia said you do not "kidnap", since people "choose" to come. But that choice has been made for them, seeing as you release nanites into the atmosphere to reprogram people's brains (did you meet with your "recruiters" in person, miss Polevhia? They probably did the same to you). It's still abduction, still slavery.

The only right form of slavery is slavery done to uplift people from their sins, to teach them to become better people and then release them once they have overcome their evil natures. That is why the Reclaiming is a good thing. But in the Nation, you force people to obey without bothering to teach them why your path is right. You just shove nanites in and call it a day.

Will you remove the implants from your slaves once you reach your "end goal"? I doubt it.

I do not believe the Nation believes freedom is worth pursuing, no. But miss Polevhia seems to think it is. She claims to "abhore slavery" and that she prefers the Nation because she was able to "choose" those chains. Her posts talk about how she rejects the shackles of the other empires, of normal society. The ability to reject an idea you don't like is freedom. She sees freedom in the Nation, because its stated goals match her own desired goals. She is window shopping for shackles, and thinks the Nation's are prettier than the competitors.

She doesn't realize what slavery truly is. It means you follow your master, right or wrong. If the Nation decides to pursue different goals, goals she would not agree with, she will not be able to break those chains like she did with the other empires. She will not be able to reject the Nation if the Nation chooses evil over good, dystopia over utopia. For someone who claims to abhore slavery, she is choosing to bind herself to the most total and complete slavery possible. "True Slaves" is a very appropriate title.

What she really seems to want is Utopia. Not the Nation. And if she honestly believes the Nation will always be a force working towards that Utopia, then she is woefully naive about the universe. Your master is a man like any other man, possessed of the same sins and flaws as any man. He is not God.


Miss Polevhia, if your mind is still your own, then I recommend you think very hard on what you have chosen. Because if it becomes as evil as you believe the other empires to be, you won't be able to reject it like you did before. If something better comes along, you won't be able to choose it like you chose Nation. You think you are binding yourself to the ideal of Utopia, but what you are really binding yourself to is the Nation's interests--Sansha Kuvakei's interests. Whatever those interests may really be.