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Itty V - From 24d down to 33 min?
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Kate stark
#181 - 2013-02-10 20:30:21 UTC
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
I'd like to see that noob try to move that 29k m3 of _______ in that Itty5 that he has skiled to 1. Roll


easily.

Show your math, to say that. Twisted

EDIT: no rigs and only T1 expanders, also show speed and align time

EDIT2: and show with T1 rigs skilled to 1, and T1 expanders, also with speed and align time.


level of rig skill doesn't affect cargo capacity, and why are you using t1 expanders? if you don't want to max your cargo that's up to you. but a player with gallente industrial I can fit an itty V for over 30k cargo space.

also, do the maths yourself, it's basic.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Djana Libra
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#182 - 2013-02-10 20:41:30 UTC
Washichu May wrote:
Atomic Virulent wrote:
In the upcoming expansion, there are some serious issues that can only be reconciled with free skillpoints or PLEX.

The 2 big ones.. Iteron V is/was 24d to skill for. It will be reduced to 33 minutes.. MINUTES! That's brand new noob, to ITTY V in THIRTY THREE MINUTES! This has the value of nearly an entire month of game time.

Second, the Orca is going from 40+d down to 17 days. This is unacceptable. The thought that some troll can spend his 14-day trial and be up to par with seasoned vets who spent over a month skilling is just atrocious.

WTF is this.. World of Warcraft?



Get over yourself. Back in 2003 people mined in imicus for a week to buy a thorax.

If you want to be a EDIT: No profanity, please - ISD Tyrozan for new people, maybe you should be pushed back into that paradigm and make ISK old-school way.


Well that was fun at the time, ships had more personal value coz you had to work for m. nowadays you blow through ships without even bothering about the isk.
Rebecha Pucontis
Doomheim
#183 - 2013-02-10 20:53:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Rebecha Pucontis
Arduemont wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:


Also just because I feel CCP dropped the ball on this issue that doesn't mean they offer terrible customer service. Come on, just one minor mistake and you expect everyone to quit the game?


i think hes using the situation to display to himself that people( producers) need people like him, its probably something that makes him feel better about himself.


Hehe. Yes, sucking up to CCP. It seems a lot on these forums will defend CCP tooth and nail and tell anyone who makes even a minor complaint to quit.


We're not defending CCP because we're groupies, we're just tearing apart your ridiculous argument because it's crap and I can't stand to let people who are logic challenged run riot on the forum saying whatever they like.

If you get some kind of reimbursement for your Mining Barge skill then everyone will want reimbursements for the hundreds of skills people will no longer need to fly various different ships, and CCP don't have the time or resources to do that. And frankly, if they did, I would be pissed at them for not spending the money on developers to make eve better, rather than spending it on GMs who will have **** all to do after the event.

Seriously, grow some brain cells and stop thinking the world revolves around you, because it doesn't. And I don't want to hear more of this "the customers always right crap" from you, because you are a minority and most people just don't care.


You sound angry, you better sit back down in your chair and take some deep breaths before you give yourself a heart attack. lol Just because you are clearly now losing the argument you resort to this behaviour.

Also I don't take kindly to you making up false statements in my name, that just the kind of BS I would expect from a mentally challenge child.

As for being in a minority, you and about 2 others have been spamming the thread with your own opinion. Multiple posts from the same person doesn't mean you have more support.

From your posts you seem to think the purpose of the forum is to spout your views to everyone and shout down opposing views. What you do not realise is that in the process of your shouting and screaming you have yet to come up with much of a rational argument against the reimbursment of SP except for the fact that it will waste dev time. That is really a pretty lame argument against.

Only RubyPorto has actually made a rational argument against, although due to applying a blanket statement and not looking at the situation at hand there were more holes in that argument than swiss chesse.

Yourself on the other hand only seems able to shout and scream at everyone else on the forum who you don't agree with.

Maybe you should think about your behaviour on these forums, as your anger and vitriol at anyone you disagree with is not to the benefit of eve, and eve would be a better place without you behaving in this manner. The reason many people don't bother to come on the forums is because of people like yourself who will try to shout and bully and make up false statements against them, and so people just don't bother writing anything decent on these forums as the response will be akin to a group of mentally challenged apes smashing a keyboard.
Kate stark
#184 - 2013-02-10 21:11:53 UTC
love how it got to 10 pages before it got moved.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2013-02-10 21:22:08 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
I'd like to see that noob try to move that 29k m3 of _______ in that Itty5 that he has skiled to 1. Roll


easily.

Show your math, to say that. Twisted

EDIT: no rigs and only T1 expanders, also show speed and align time

EDIT2: and show with T1 rigs skilled to 1, and T1 expanders, also with speed and align time.


level of rig skill doesn't affect cargo capacity, and why are you using t1 expanders? if you don't want to max your cargo that's up to you. but a player with gallente industrial I can fit an itty V for over 30k cargo space.

also, do the maths yourself, it's basic.

I like how you quote the cargo space for an Itty5, at Gallente industrial V with T2 expanders and rigs, when a newbie won't have those skills maxed.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
Gavin Nordoff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#186 - 2013-02-10 21:24:13 UTC
I have a thought about orca's.
It's an industrial command ship. Concentrate on the last 2 words, command ship. It's primary use should be boosting not hauling.
It's the only command ship (albeit industrial) that will only require 1 form of boosting skill, the mining ones.

Why not add seige and info warfare 5 and leadership 5 to the requirements?
Add some fluff about them being needed to boost the shields and targeting range of mining barges in fleet and leadership to actually be able to boost a full squadron.

A quick look on eft show this adds 30d 16h to the skill queue putting the orca back close enough to the 49 days to train it was before.
Kate stark
#187 - 2013-02-10 21:26:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Kate stark
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
Kate stark wrote:
Mortimer Civeri wrote:
I'd like to see that noob try to move that 29k m3 of _______ in that Itty5 that he has skiled to 1. Roll


easily.

Show your math, to say that. Twisted

EDIT: no rigs and only T1 expanders, also show speed and align time

EDIT2: and show with T1 rigs skilled to 1, and T1 expanders, also with speed and align time.


level of rig skill doesn't affect cargo capacity, and why are you using t1 expanders? if you don't want to max your cargo that's up to you. but a player with gallente industrial I can fit an itty V for over 30k cargo space.

also, do the maths yourself, it's basic.

I like how you quote the cargo space for an Itty5, at Gallente industrial V with T2 expanders and rigs, when a newbie won't have those skills maxed.


except, i didn't quote that, at all. stop making things up, and start reading.

i just pointed out that you can get over 30k m3 with gallente industrial I in an itty V. which is a fact.

also the cargo modules take a trivial amount of time to train, so newbies WILL have those skills trained.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#188 - 2013-02-10 21:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
You sound angry, you better sit back down in your chair and take some deep breaths before you give yourself a heart attack. lol Just because you are clearly now losing the argument you resort to this behaviour.

Also I don't take kindly to you making up false statements in my name, that just the kind of BS I would expect from a mentally challenge child.

As for being in a minority, you and about 2 others have been spamming the thread with your own opinion. Multiple posts from the same person doesn't mean you have more support.

From your posts you seem to think the purpose of the forum is to spout your views to everyone and shout down opposing views. What you do not realise is that in the process of your shouting and screaming you have yet to come up with much of a rational argument against the reimbursment of SP except for the fact that it will waste dev time. That is really a pretty lame argument against.

Only RubyPorto has actually made a rational argument against, although due to applying a blanket statement and not looking at the situation at hand there were more holes in that argument than swiss chesse.

Yourself on the other hand only seems able to shout and scream at everyone else on the forum who you don't agree with.

Maybe you should think about your behaviour on these forums, as your anger and vitriol at anyone you disagree with is not to the benefit of eve, and eve would be a better place without you behaving in this manner. The reason many people don't bother to come on the forums is because of people like yourself who will try to shout and bully and make up false statements against them, and so people just don't bother writing anything decent on these forums as the response will be akin to a group of mentally challenged apes smashing a keyboard.


I have no argument? Haha, you can talk. As for the rest of this post, I won't bother commenting. Frankly the only argument in there was "No". Which, by the way, isn't a counter. What you just did there is like, projection... although I am sure I am guilty in some part of a few of the things you accused me of there, mostly I just read that and thought you were talking about yourself.

Alright. Sum it up for me. Bullet points style, because thus far the only argument I can see that you have had is "I want my SPs back". Write out a few concise points for why you think you should get your SP back, concise mind, and I will do the same for why your arguments are ultimately lacking.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
SoOza N'GasZ
L F C
Ethereal Dawn
#189 - 2013-02-10 21:34:36 UTC  |  Edited by: SoOza N'GasZ
Arduemont wrote:

We're not defending CCP because we're groupies, we're just tearing apart your ridiculous argument because it's crap and I can't stand to let people who are logic challenged run riot on the forum saying whatever they like.

If you get some kind of reimbursement for your Mining Barge skill then everyone will want reimbursements for the hundreds of skills people will no longer need to fly various different ships, and CCP don't have the time or resources to do that. And frankly, if they did, I would be pissed at them for not spending the money on developers to make eve better, rather than spending it on GMs who will have **** all to do after the event.

Seriously, grow some brain cells and stop thinking the world revolves around you, because it doesn't. And I don't want to hear more of this "the customers always right crap" from you, because you are a minority and most people just don't care.


that kinda thinking i reckon allowed **** like na*zi germany to happen ^^

and why would he now even bother discuss this stuff with you? you are rude, insulting and immature and second its not like u have an influence on the games development mate u dont work at ccp.

Legba
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#190 - 2013-02-10 21:57:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
that kinda thinking i reckon allowed **** like na*zi germany to happen ^^

and why would he now even bother discuss this stuff with you? you arer rude, insulting and immature and second its not like u have an influence on the games development mate u dont work at ccp.

also i like how you made that answer with another toon to give you the feeling like u had a mate backing you up.



If your not willing to discuss something with people of an opposite or varying opinion, then you shouldn't be on a forum.

Also, I have not posted with any other toons or alts in this thread. Something I can say, where you can know I am not lying. In the EULA it strictly forbids anyone from pretending to be anyone other than yourself. Mostly to stop people impersonating others for the purposes of scamming. If I were lying about this, I would be risking being banned.

Edit: I will be leaving this thread be. Rebecha Pucontis stupidly opened up a new thread about it in GD and is being thoroughly berated for it, so I think I will continue the argument in there. If you wish to continue debating (or start debating, rather) then you can talk it through there.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#191 - 2013-02-10 22:02:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:

that kinda thinking i reckon allowed **** like na*zi germany to happen ^^



Actually, you're looking for 'The Holocaust' rather than nazi germany. (really? Nazi is covered by the profanity filter?)

The rise of the National Socialist party, to a large degree, was caused by the post war reparations that were forced on Germany after World War 1.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#192 - 2013-02-10 22:10:20 UTC
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
that kinda thinking i reckon allowed **** like na*zi germany to happen ^^

and why would he now even bother discuss this stuff with you? you are rude, insulting and immature and second its not like u have an influence on the games development mate u dont work at ccp.

Damn, I haven't seen a thread started in GD get Godwin'd in some time.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#193 - 2013-02-11 01:22:59 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:

that kinda thinking i reckon allowed **** like na*zi germany to happen ^^



Actually, you're looking for 'The Holocaust' rather than **** germany. (really? **** is covered by the profanity filter?)

The rise of the National Socialist party, to a large degree, was caused by the post war reparations that were forced on Germany after World War 1.


Well, that and the collapse of the system by which the US lent Germany money so that Germany could pay reparations to France and Britain, who could then use that money to repay loans the US had given them during WWI.

Black Thursday caused WWII*.


*Not a real claim.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#194 - 2013-02-11 03:28:54 UTC
Galenwade wrote:
Atomic Virulent wrote:
In the upcoming expansion, there are some serious issues that can only be reconciled with free skillpoints or PLEX.

The 2 big ones.. Iteron V is/was 24d to skill for. It will be reduced to 33 minutes.. MINUTES! That's brand new noob, to ITTY V in THIRTY THREE MINUTES! This has the value of nearly an entire month of game time.

Second, the Orca is going from 40+d down to 17 days. This is unacceptable. The thought that some troll can spend his 14-day trial and be up to par with seasoned vets who spent over a month skilling is just atrocious.

WTF is this.. World of Warcraft?




First world problems ?


Internet spaceship problems are by definition first world problems. This goes a step further into first internet spaceship world problems.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#195 - 2013-02-11 04:24:31 UTC
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:
You sound angry, you better sit back down in your chair and take some deep breaths before you give yourself a heart attack. lol Just because you are clearly now losing the argument you resort to this behaviour.


Oh you.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Joran Dravius
Doomheim
#196 - 2013-02-11 05:28:02 UTC
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:

that kinda thinking i reckon allowed **** like na*zi germany to happen ^^

You have now automatically lost this argument as per Godwin's Law.
Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#197 - 2013-02-11 06:31:43 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Atomic Virulent wrote:
Ok. some punk who pays his first $19.99. $20 for an Orca.. Who wouldn't have paid 10 times that to get the skill time back?

Oh holy **** a n00b with **** fitting skills and no real idea how to play the game might get into an Orca in less time than it took me!


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VLAD DRACU
State War Academy
Caldari State
#198 - 2013-02-11 10:45:22 UTC  |  Edited by: VLAD DRACU
Though it seems hard that the ship you can fly now took you a big ammount of time to get there. But i think is a good change to attract newer players to the game. If you try out a game you want to be able to use alot of it quick but to use it good or to its full potential it will take time.

Its a good change.

Cheers,

Vlad

Though it made the lower tiers obsolete.
SoOza N'GasZ
L F C
Ethereal Dawn
#199 - 2013-02-11 12:07:44 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
SoOza N'GasZ wrote:
that kinda thinking i reckon allowed **** like na*zi germany to happen ^^

and why would he now even bother discuss this stuff with you? you arer rude, insulting and immature and second its not like u have an influence on the games development mate u dont work at ccp.

also i like how you made that answer with another toon to give you the feeling like u had a mate backing you up.



If your not willing to discuss something with people of an opposite or varying opinion, then you shouldn't be on a forum.

Also, I have not posted with any other toons or alts in this thread. Something I can say, where you can know I am not lying. In the EULA it strictly forbids anyone from pretending to be anyone other than yourself. Mostly to stop people impersonating others for the purposes of scamming. If I were lying about this, I would be risking being banned.

Edit: I will be leaving this thread be. Rebecha Pucontis stupidly opened up a new thread about it in GD and is being thoroughly berated for it, so I think I will continue the argument in there. If you wish to continue debating (or start debating, rather) then you can talk it through there.


i am willing to discuss stuff with other people , just not with you because you cant behave yourself in a grown up way and your arguments are childish.

Legba
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#200 - 2013-02-11 15:32:01 UTC
Kate stark wrote:
except, i didn't quote that, at all. stop making things up, and start reading.

i just pointed out that you can get over 30k m3 with gallente industrial I in an itty V. which is a fact.

also the cargo modules take a trivial amount of time to train, so newbies WILL have those skills trained.


Look I'm not disputing the fact that an Itty5 can get to +30k m3 with max skills and T2 expanders and T2 cargo rigs, what you have failed to do, is prove to the rest of the community, that you can get that amount with Gallente Industrial trained to 1 and with T1 expanders and rigs. Show me your math, because you will find that your numbers are off by at least 20%.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin