EVE General Discussion

How does a removed skill equate to doing everything you could do before?

And everybody else gets the same exact benefit as you do without having to skill anything at all.
Do you see the difference?

I can build a character that can sit in a Rorq in very little time. So is CCP going to add the millions (whatever. CBA to actually count it.) of SP to bring it up to the new minimum?

If so I'll start a few characters right now.

Mr Epeen

Wait a second here. Are you ACTUALLY trying to compare 'removed' skills to 'updated' skill tree lists from the original OP question over lost training time and then trying to justify why people who learned said trained skills only for it to be removed for a newer system shouldn't have gotten their SP back?

Okay let me get this very clear here. Removing skills from the game is NOT the same as moving around skill requirements. Ever. Never will be. If you try to argue it, please stop and walk away.

As people have said in previous about committing time and planning towards a skill has benefits even though you would (now) see a point to it doesn't make it useless.

Now lets look at the Skill books.

Skill books helped boost player stats to help increase learning time which came in many, many wonderful flavours and many, many books and SP to learn. ALL of them to max out on the training time (which led to longer progressed training time for that wonderful battleship you always wanted to fly and pewpew in).

Let's analysis 'You get what you paid for' via CCP training queues.

You plan what ship/profession you wanted to go to,plan ahead accepting the minutes/hours/days/weeks together. You finally get there and are happy about it. Regardless if the training time was cut short or skills requirements where moved around does not hamper you from doing X in Y ship.

Now lets look at removed skills.

A removed skill does NOT benefit from said training as the skill itself is...well, removed. This doesn't co-inside with the term 'You get what you paid for' because clearly they did not. Regardless with whatever mechanic that replaced these skills (Remaps) the end results required SP refunded because the ability itself was removed not the way it was changed to fit with a new skill tree.

End of the day HTFU and move along. Stop arguing for the sake of arguing now.

So in the end, they got rewarded for their wasted time despite already benefiting from faster training time at the time. They got something for the time they wasted without actually losing anything other than time. All because everyone else got it too. No other reason. That's your logic, thrown right back at you. They got what they paid for, they didn't lose it, just others got it too. What did they lose from the change besides time really? You can yell all you want about how its different, but if the result is the same or close to it? It isn't different enough, and the result is pretty dang close. Some people spent SP on skills to get to one that's no longer needed for what they are aiming for, they spent time on it, they benefited from it, now? The purpose they might have gotten the skill for is gone completely. Not due to a nerf or anything, but because they changed how the skills work. The ONLY difference is now they have a skill they COULD use for something else if they wanted, but if they don't? "well, tough"? If you want to think that way, fine, but don't sit there and tell me that wasted time isn't wasted time whatever the scenario. And this is wasted time brought about only because they are fixing a messed up skill system, similar to how they removed learning skills because they were a broken and messed up system.

Nope, just everyone else got the advantage too. They didn't lose anything, everyone else just gained it too. At least by the logic you're using. Otherwise the people who trained a skill only for the purpose of getting into a certain ship that the skill will no longer be required for are also losing the advantage that skill provided them. Now it just sits there.

Which actually isn't at all different than how things are right now for those people, me included. So nothing is really changing for us and, thus, no need for a reimbursement.

Not in the strict sense, no.

ok that's every dev blog... I asked for just the ones involving upcoming changes, try again.



And nothing really was changing for people who had removed skills. As I said before. Nothing significant was different for them. Like I said, come up with something better.



Except they got an advantage in how many skills they gained during that period over others, so it was still an advantage.

Same logic could be applied to the skills that were removed and reimbersed, except it provided a different sort of advantage. You can stamp your feet and disagree with me all you want, but doesn't make it any less true.