Science & Industry

Remember what ISK you got in null? Now divide that by 3 and that will be your ISK income for the same work you did back in Null.

400 mil - about 10-15 min maintenance per day

Hauling in HiSec shouldn't be a problem

When Ive had PI set up in high sec I made P2 items with 3 day cycles. One "string" of factories. The income was on the order of 1 million per day per planet.

So if you got 6 planets per alt, 3 alts, that's 540 million a month, about a PLEX.

You only need visit the customs offices about once a month. You just do not get sufficient P2 to make more frequent visits necessary. (That's the advantage of doing P2. P1 planets can make you more ISK, but require more hauling.) The extractors do need to be adjusted every 3 days (or twice a week if you want to keep a weekly schedule). But that can be done while you are mining or traveling.

You can make ISK doing PI in highsec, but why? There are plenty of half deserted areas in lowsec where you can easily make twice as much. There are no warp bubbles in lowsec, hauling is almost completely safe with a little practice.

Nullsec is a bigger hassle getting product to market. Most if not all null to low edge systems are permacamped and far more dangerous to travel through.

I recall I could make from 22 to 46M per hour with hi sec PI. Not too shabby.

Thanx for the info. So it seems some isk can be made in hi sec PI, but its mostly reprocessing T2 upwards. What about Wormholes ? Anyone has done some decent C1 just for the PI ? How often are the towers in C1's attacked if someone can comment from the experience. Say a large tower with some hardeners and some ECM without anything juicy hanging in there in the open ?



I dont like low sec tbh. If I'm already sticking my neck out I just skip the zoo and beeline for null, as its both more profitable and safer in my experience. Hauling is not an issue for me, as I have JF, Black Ops and covert cyno alts and with the increased bridge range of Black Ops I will expect them to be more viable as poor mans titan for pushing blocade runners around if needed. Problem with low sec / null is POCO's - I dont have the firepower to hold one if local alliance decides that he needs to control it and deny me the right to use it. Sure I can do the daily harassing runs with bombers, but thats not particularly profitable way of spending my time.

Anyway - thanx again for the info guys and gals. I'll have to look a bit more into this.

I'm sure you know that PI is the sort of activity where you get out what you put in - and this is more true for extraction worlds than factory worlds, as your output tends to be directly influenced by how willing you are to touch your extractors on a regular basis. And, of course, many people assume that having multiple alts and adjusting all of your characters' extractors daily is the default way to do things. So, when someone says they make 2 bil a month or what have you, they could really be talking 200 mil a month * 10 characters, with the many hours a week of PI work that would entail.

This is part of why I prefer high-sec production, rather than low or null extraction. I do PI on one alt character with all PI skills at 4 - so 5 worlds, each designed to take a mess of p1 and turn it into p4. My worlds are near a trade hub, making it practical to move my goods by contract (eliminates a lot of hauling, and the risk of suicide ganking), and since easy access to p1 allows me to permarun them, my setup reliably spits out 5 units of p4 every hour, and every 2 days I need to spend about 20 minutes hauling more p1 to my worlds, and p4 back to station. Granted I also need to spend some time making contracts and buying new p1 at the hub every so often, but this is pretty negligible - about 20 minutes every 6+ days. This setup nets me around 1 bil a month, for a lot less grind than PI usually entails.

In fact, I once had a wormhole dweller tell me that they made less on wormhole extraction than I was making on highsec production, in a c3. Of course, take this with a grain of salt, as this person may simply have not been being as absolutely hardcore as they could have been, and there's nothing wrong with that. Remember, at the end of the day isk/hr is a less important metric than fun/(isk/hr).

Basically, if you've got null connections and you believe that you can reliable sell PI extracted there (or can make friends with a freighter pilot who will move it to highsec for you) then you will probably make a tidy profit out there. Personally, I find mucking around with extractors horribly tedious and hope to never again bother with that aspect of PI, but it does have the bonus of actually being able to make more money by putting in more time. Highsec factory setups tend to have a more favorable effort/isk ratio (though they are a bigger pain to set up), but there is a firmer ceiling on how much money a given setup will make - screwing with extractors can get you more yield, but factories don't care how often you look at them.

Over time you make pretty good money

I mean hey all you doing is a few clicks once per day right lol. I think last month i made about 120 mil off of PI and thats doing it very casually...sometimes i would forget to etc. i usually mine and have my PI stuff in same system. to me any money is good.

impossible unless you're using alot of alts...

I make 100M per week off high sec PI. If you want to know how do a forum search. There are many very detailed posts.