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Heh, this is very amusing. Bringing up a parable from the bible with only very very very vague similarity, in fact almost no similarity, to argue your point is really stretching the limits of what I can rationally argue back against, and something I didn't expect from eve forums.

Ok, let me give another hypothetical argument to counter the logic of this opinion. What if CCP decided the entire skill system needed overhauling, all combat ships would now be reliant on industrial related skills, and all industrial skills are now required for combat activities. You could still use all the combat skills you had spent months training for, but for another completely unrelated activity in industry. But they are still useful in some way, and so according to the logic of your opinion that would be acceptable.

In regards to the Orca, players trained mining barge to fly the orca, now this once useful skill, useful due to the fact it was required to fly the orca, is now used for a purpose completely different to the original purpose for which it was trained. So although still useful, its useful for an activity unrelated to the initial purpose of training it.

2) Give realistic timelines for these changes instead of stuff like, "ZOMG, train BCV noa!" in December then wait for the Summer to make the change.

That at least lightens the blow and was a smart move on their part, yeah. I think a lot of people would be preeetty ticked otherwise. It would have been nice if the warning was more visible though. Even finding them on the forums is kind of irritating. This is something that should be front and center of the launcher at the very least. Especially given the nature of remaps when changes like this can affect the skills people want to train over a pretty long period... and before someone starts on that spiel that often gets going when someone mentions remaps, no, stop, now, settle your butt down.

The workers who arrived in the morning agreed to work for one day for one silver coin. --> You agreed to train 49 days to fly the Orca.

Later in the evening, new workers agreed to work for a few hours for one silver coin. --> Newbies can train 18 days to fly the Orca.

The workers who worked all day expected recompense for their "extra" labor and complained. --> You trained for 49 days and want a refund on your "extra" skills.

God, via a proxy, said "Bugger off." --> CCP says "Bugger off."

The BC changes were announced long before December. As for the rest of these changes, they're simply changing requirements, not rewriting skills, so there's no real need to reimburse or whatever; the skills remain and you can still lfy everything you were able to fly before.

Thank you for explaining. Although obviously that is a different scenario and I am not aware of the context in which God says "bugger off" to the worker request, there must be a good reason for it.

Although I would argue with the principle which you are trying to suggest, although its slightly off topic, but in general if workers are doing the same work then do you not think they should be paid the same wage?

Uh, no.

'Dev blog: The great ship skill change of summer 2013'

That's the dev blog it was announced it. Summer 2013. Not February 19th. Summer

Perhaps this is a way CCP could go, although I cannot see exactly how it would be implemented, and am doubtful that it would actually happen. But perhaps this is a solution that would unite all opposing views. After all there is no SP being refunded using this approach, and the skill is no longer worthless if it has some effect on the abilities of the orca for which is was originally trained.

'straight out of the blue'. All depends on how much notice you think is reasonable. 4 months seem ok? 'Out of the blue' would have been a change on the 19th. And only someone that pays no attention to the dev blogs would think it was happening on the 19th.