EVE General Discussion

5 million SP should exclude a lot of highsec alts such as scouts, traders, haulers, PI alts, miners. Anyone that's left has a fairly significant investment in highsec.

Not to me it didn't. Trolls and Goon damage control are just part of the forum landscape, easy enough to work around.

Retention numbers are interesting and I have been thinking about brand new players lately. I have seen some changes from last year in the type of people playing, more "casual" new and players returning from very long absences. Its kind of interesting to go over the numbers and see how our observations relate.

But you don't care what the numbers mean; you gathered some data that could be manipulated into meaning what you want it to. i.e. Eve is dying and we need to rally behind x,y, & k to save it.

If you want to present an idea or talk about options by all means do so. But to fabricate and manipulate data to support those ideas is just...well it wont work. So present your ideas, put a new coat of paint on them if its been a while, look at them differently, and see if there's new people in Eve who might be more open to them then people here.

Eve is not dying. Get in game, hop in a ship and fly around talking to people. You wont believe how many new people are out there right now. And even if it was there is no way you can say why.

My ideas haven't changed much at the core.

I am a solo casual player and have stopped playing the game because I am tired of doing the same few things today that i could do 4 years ago. Nothing that CCP has done in 4 years has allowed me to set up new goals and work towards them, sandbox style.

Two years ago I became very excited at the possibility that WiS content could open new venues of gameplay for soloers/casuals. It didn't. Then i started a lost battle to try to a), get WiS done, and b), get it to be specially suit to soloers/casuals. It was a lost cause and now it's dead. WiS is abandoned and the last CCP made for it was a prototype that involved extremely niche and extremely multiplayer-only content -something as far from me in terms of gameplay as nullsec alliances.

So here i am. The only thing that gets me logged in is to tinker with my avatar portrait. I think it's a miserable reward for 4 years and 900+ euros (and God knows how many, many hours, both online and offline).

By the way, my "other" ideas are quite popular. Three weeks ago I got 100+ likes with a thread and a series of posts on how could CCP deal with solo players. My ideas on how WiS was the difference between death and life for EVE gathered over 600 likes during several months. As i don't belong to any organization and i'm essentially a lone player, each one of those likes was earned from scratch.

I can present my best ideas in better ways than this thread and its grim ideas...

...and yet i think that if EVE only got 450,000 subscribers between both TQ and SR, there is a ugly fact behind the PCU averages for both servers. CCP can't publicly admit it, but I think they could use some help, not from the people who love the game, but from the people who quit and will keep quitting until it dies of stagnation.

I have deleted a blanked-out post from the thread. No other cleanup was required for now, but, especially since this is a very heated discussion, I'd like to remind you all to stay respectful, constructive, and civil anyway.

ay-yo straight outta jia, lyfe is so hard in highsec ghetto yo, what more do you want with concord and empire stations?

Last year my average working week was between 60 and 80 hours, yet I have no problem with doing what I want in EVE. Instant gratification under the mask of casual gamers is a terrible thing that has killed many MMO.

I'm not anti any kind of play. One of the things I really enjoy about gaming is seeing how different people go about it, what are the draws and irritations and tactics that interest them.

Having occupations and microgames that can be done over a long time frame without fear of interruption is an important part of Eve. PI is like that, set em up, play with them a bit, then leave them sit for years, they will still be there. They are balanced in that they don't produce the same ISK revenue as more direct gameplay. I love PI and would be happy to see more of that sort of thing.

As for WiS and character development; perhaps CCP could engage with Second life; CCP could do the artwork and develop some items and 2nd life could host it. That would be cool and might actually get me to log into 2nd life again. Eve goods could be developed and traded there. And maybe they could link the market and contracts page.

The trolls and nay sayers may even be right about WiS, but don't let that stop you from talking and thinking about it. Sharing ideas and possibilities doesn't hurt anyone and you only have to be right once.

I like your new portrait. FS

I thought that might work for you Rap.

A regular player might be on only 10% of the time. A bot could be on 60% of the time (In fact before CCP started really cracking down many were on almost 100% of the time. Now if they try that they get banned.) So if 10,000 regular players quit the concurrent user count drops by 1000. But when 10,000 bots get banned the concurrent user count drops by 6000.

CCP started a bot ban effort just before Incarna, then suspended it in the summer that followed, then started it up again in the winter that followed. As bots cause a disproportionate change to the concurrent user count, this on then off then on war makes it really hard to figure out whats happening in terms of real accounts. And its even harder to figure out whats happening in terms of the number of individual people who have at least one active account.

It is difficult to write these kind of threads when TQ is in such good health. But props to OP for trying. EVE would not be EVE without EVE is dying threads.