EVE General Discussion

"some players prefer playing with other people, please nerf them because my horrible asocial playstyle can't compete"

You call them "friends". I call them "minions". We can't all be Dear Leader, and many of us wouldn't want to even try. For many of us, it's not that we're lazy. It's that we don't care, much like we know there are whacko cultists living in places in the wilderness, but we don't form up posses to go smoke them out. And, much like whacko cultists, many nullbears are paranoid and feel that every suggestion to change this game is an insidious attempt to bring down their great space empire. Go figure.



How does inability to play the game AT ALL under certain circumstances equate to a nerf to your space Blackberry? Are you saying that you could not play the game of EVE at all if the game didn't auto-instruct you as to which total strangers are your space friends?



0/10, neither accurate nor amusing. I would expect more from a Goon.

Please note that asocial is not the same as anti-social. One can be asocial and benevolent. One can be incredibly social, and yet, psycho. Anyway . . .
I prefer playing with other people, hence, I play in high sec, where there are actually other people, and they don't even have to do what I tell them. I have to get them to cooperate with me on an individual (read: personal) level, rather than just pass down my decree as their sovereign ruler. Whether this makes me a baddie or not is highly debateable. As to whether this is why I think your space Blackberry should be nerfed, please see the beginning of this post.

If you don't care, why are you complaining that they're able to organize a large group of people to work together and achieve their goals?

If you are complaining, you certainly care, and since you care, there's nothing stopping you from breaking up the empires you are complaining about other than your laziness and inability to attract friends.

If you're not complaining, why are you here posting to complain?


Oh, and it's not paranoia to think that the OP wants to nerf cooperatively built empires when the OP is suggesting the removal of Sov as a mechanic. It is, quite literally, his stated goal. Taking him at his word on his goal isn't paranoia, it's basic reading comprehension.

My own complaint isn't that players are able and allowed to organize. My "complaint' is that the game instantly and infallibly identifies which of the many players they run into while they play is aligned with them, which are neutral, and which are hostile. There is literally no way to fool another player into thinking you are an ally.

All warfare is based on deception. - Sun Tzu

Well, how do I deceive? By starting another account? Is that the game CCP has intended? Or, should there be other ways?

Sure there is. Have you not heard of AWOXing? Pretty good way to hide the fact that you're hostile.

Effective Spies and convincing False Flags are neither effort nor cost free. (Though spamming "Cyno Alt" to corps is surprisingly effective, and doable on a trial account, so they're pretty close.)


Also, CCP tried your suggestion in the past. It was a bad mechanic and CCP changed things so that standings appear in chat windows.
Why should people have to click through everyone in local to see who's friendly? Why should everybody else have to deal with tons of extra scut-work just so you can get the occasional free gank without having to put any effort into it?

lol x13

1) You don't have to create another character to successfully AWOX anyone.
2) You act like AWOXing is the only way to kill people in 0.0
3. Yes, to kill someone under a false flag or using a spy, you need to have inserted a spy or generated a believable false flag. My god. It's almost like it could make sense.



I know who my friends are. I also know who my allies are. I do not know, nor should I need to know, every individual (and their Alts) names. That's why we have uniforms. If you would like to attack us from under the cover of our uniforms, you're going to need to get one. You can do that by joining someone who wears a friendly uniform and has lax recruiting standards. Enjoy.

Standings are about friendship. Just because you don't seem to understand how groups can be friendly or friends with other groups doesn't mean they can't be.

How does setting someone blue maintain anything, let alone hegemony? PL (and many other groups) do(es) joint ops with Overview-Neutral parties all the time. Overview standings have no effect on Fleet ops, which are how groups maintain control over their territory, so there goes that argument.

Once again, you have a tool to counter my tool. More than one, in fact. One is called AWOXing. Cloaky camping is also quite effective.

Again, why should everyone have to perform an enormous amount of scut work in order to live in their space just so you can get the occasional gank? You really think that anybody's going to live in Nullsec, clicking obsessively on everyone in local, when you can make 80%+ of what you can make there in the perfect safety of HS?

Oh, and you're proposing a change. The onus is on you to answer why it should be. My answer to your question can rightfully be "Because that's how it is" until you've provided a strong answer for why it should change.

"CCP, please remove fleets because I don't use them in hisec so they're useless and only useful to ~*~nullbears~*~"

i think it looks prettier that way

It needs more stars and things like :3 emoticons and (^__^)/ and the like.