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Is a viable pvp MISSILE BATTLESHIP too much to ask for?
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A1C Jericho
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-02-10 01:31:16 UTC
Hi all i am quite new at this (game & forums) and i apologize in advance if there's been a topic regarding this matter posted before... but while i keep reading and searching about this, i realize that beside the already viable Caldari ships ( Drake, Tengu and so on ) there is a "hole" in the battleship line of ships that can use missiles effectively for pvp!

I would like to hear opinions or advice regarding this from more seasoned veterans of the game.

Thx!
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#2 - 2013-02-10 01:38:54 UTC
Torps have very very poor damage application and cruise missiles straight up suck. Which is the root ofthe problem with BS sized missiles.

That being said, the Raven is not all horrible and can get decent dps/tank/utility, but it requires lots of web/target painter support to make it even competitive with other non missiles PvP BS.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#3 - 2013-02-10 01:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
I've had great success using Cruise Scorpions, Torp Ravens, Cruise Phoons, and Torp Phoons. I don't know what you're complaining about.

-Liang

Ed: And with the upcoming Torp Phoon v2 I'm sure we'll be seeing even better missile based battleships.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
A1C Jericho
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-02-10 01:58:01 UTC
"I've had great success using Cruise Scorpions, Torp Ravens, Cruise Phoons, and Torp Phoons. I don't know what you're complaining about."

-Liang


Actually i am not "complaining" as you put it , but while a Drake pilot for example would be wanted/needed in a gang/fleet, would the same be applied for a Raven pilot in BS fleet/gang ?
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#5 - 2013-02-10 02:05:56 UTC
The title of this thread is: "Is a viable pvp MISSILE BATTLESHIP too much to ask for?"

You are complaining.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#6 - 2013-02-10 02:06:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
A1C Jericho wrote:
Actually i am not "complaining" as you put it , but while a Drake pilot for example would be wanted/needed in
a gang/fleet, would the same be applied for a Raven pilot in BS fleet/gang ?


I too make it a regular habit to turn down 1500 DPS Ravens from my fleets.

-Liang

Ed: I also turn down Scorpions and Phoons. Man, **** those missile ships. All missile ships are terrible.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
A1C Jericho
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-02-10 02:09:30 UTC
Nah, just wanted a catchy title so people would check it out!
Orlacc
#8 - 2013-02-10 02:12:04 UTC
A1C Jericho wrote:
Hi all i am quite new at this (game & forums)


Indeed.

Your premise is weak, catchy or not.

Liang's advice is sound.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
A1C Jericho
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-02-10 02:37:15 UTC
I never said missile ships are terrible, read the original post carefully, i only wanted to point out that there isn't a BS missile platform that can perform this role as effectively or perhaps "easily" as a cruiser / frigate missile platform, while other weapon systems can do this transition more effectively in their line of ships.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#10 - 2013-02-10 02:39:35 UTC
A1C Jericho wrote:
I never said missile ships are terrible, read the original post carefully, i only wanted to point out that there isn't a BS missile platform that can perform this role as effectively or perhaps "easily" as a cruiser / frigate missile platform, while other weapon systems can do this transition more effectively in their line of ships


You said there's a hole. There isn't one. So, premise down, moving on, right?
A1C Jericho
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-02-10 03:00:10 UTC
Right...
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-02-10 04:23:43 UTC
Lol, they're just messing with you. If you went ahead and go pvp with a cruise Raven, they might end up being the lucky ones meeting you in space.Cool

To do what you're asking, CCP will have to:
1) Make missile viable
2) Make BS viable

And yes, that's too much to ask.Lol

The days of swarm potato and chivalry ravens are long gone. You're not a special snowflake, neither are those trolls in your thread, they just pretend to be for lulz. It's not gonna work. Walk away.

Ah, how I long for the aoe torps of old. Eve was a more interesting place, in a more interesting time. Wish you were there.Smile
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-02-10 04:54:42 UTC
If you had a gang with plenty of paints and webs and landed on your enemy near 0 the torp raven is okay.

It still has a stupid slot layout, is really slow and can't apply its damage without some assistance.
A1C Jericho
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-02-10 04:59:48 UTC
Thx all for the replies! :)

p.s
sabre906 +1
Gypsio III
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-02-10 11:14:34 UTC
All you need for decent torp damage application to anything BC-sized or larger is a single web.
Gal'o Sengen
Doomheim
#16 - 2013-02-10 12:25:54 UTC
The problem is more that there's only two Tech 1 Missile Battleship hulls, compared to like a Dozen Turret ones. Torpedoes desperately need more range though. At least 35km.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#17 - 2013-02-10 12:53:11 UTC
As Liang suggests, the Raven in particular is a reasonably well used PvP ship (I can't comment on the 'phoon, I haven't seen many since the Snaked Nano-phoon was the raider de jour).
Their application is primarily in small gangs rather than large fleets as far as I've seen however - the delay in the application of missile damage is of minimal concern in short range engagements and the high range and damage (if it can be applied) is very valuable, especially when combined with the Raven's two utility highs (used for heat sinking or RR in fits I've seen).
The perception of missiles as a poor PvP weapon system is predominantly due to the larger, longer ranged fleets used in territorial conflicts in 0.0 - and the Drake was considered similarly unviable for that role until quite recently.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#18 - 2013-02-10 14:03:50 UTC
Kestrel/Condor/Caracal/drake/raven/scorpion/scorpnavy


All are good.. Why the long face?

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Tolkenmoon
Hogan's Heroes
#19 - 2013-02-10 15:01:22 UTC
I would like to know why we don't have a pirate faction missile battleship.
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2013-02-10 15:18:38 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
A1C Jericho wrote:
Actually i am not "complaining" as you put it , but while a Drake pilot for example would be wanted/needed in
a gang/fleet, would the same be applied for a Raven pilot in BS fleet/gang ?


I too make it a regular habit to turn down 1500 DPS Ravens from my fleets.

-Liang

Ed: I also turn down Scorpions and Phoons. Man, **** those missile ships. All missile ships are terrible.



1500 whatnow....?
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